Saturday, August 21, 2010

Teen Drinking, Who's Responsible? (Post #3)

The Teen Alcohol Safety Act of 2010, or AB2486, would allow party hosts to be sued if they serve alcohol to a minor who is subsequently injured or killed.  It was signed into law by the Governor last Wednesday.  While everyone acknowledges that is a violation of the law to serve alcohol to minors, the question of liability, or legal responsibility, is a main point to consider here.  Any teen drinking involves either a fake ID, no ID check, an adult buyer, or theft.  Where is the liability in each of these cases?

Is someone between the ages of 18-20, not responsible for their own decision to illegally drink?  Do the parents who knowingly allowed their teens to go to the party have less responsibility than the hosts?  Can adults at the party claim innocence if they simply leave the alcohol out and don't actually serve it?  If no one gets hurt, was it then okay to serve them alcohol?

Are drug dealers also liable for injury caused to their buyers?  What other kinds of comparisons can you make for a law like this?

This law does not apply to commercial venders: meaning bars, restaurants, liquor stores.  Why do you think that is the case?  Would the bill have been harder to pass? Why?

Does this law take away anyones rights?  Does it give rights to anyone?  What type of incentive is legislation like this? What behavior are they hoping to see changed? Do you see this law having any significant impact? Why or why not?

Please reply by Wednesday morning.

207 comments:

  1. I have heard about this before it was passed and discussed about it in one of the youth city council meetings. The topic was brought up with the title "you host, you lose". If teenagers gather at someone's house to drink with the adults knowing about this is a crime and if anything should happen, then the responsibilities should go to the adults that knew about this because they did not enforce the law and let them violate it. Like the blog before a US citizen should obey the law and act when the law is being broken when they can stop it. However, most of these parties are being hosted with the adults having no knowledge about it. They would be away on vacation or etc. and the youth would gather to drink with no adults around. In this case the responsibilities should not be on the owners of the house because they were not aware of it. It should go to each parent that let their child go. Bottom line parents should have knowledge about their child's whereabouts and take responsibilities when they let them go.
    Natalie Nunez
    Bauer
    1st period

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  2. Emily Geiszler, Bauer, Period 4August 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM

    Teen drinking is a very serious issue that has been around as long as alcohol has. It is not very difficult for a teen to get a fake ID to purchase their own alcohol if they know the right people. The person supplying the fake IDs should be held liable for anything the underage person does while they are intoxicated. An adult buyer should also be held accountable if anything happens to a teen while they have been drinking. In all cases, no matter who provides the alcohol or how it ends up crossing the lips of someone who is underage, the underaged person needs to be held accountable for their actions as well. Teens know exactly what happens what people drink alcohol, and by drinking it they know what can happen to them. They are well aware that people die as a result of drunk drivers everyday, you can die from consuming too much alcohol, and most importantly it is illegal. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and all parties involved in underage drinking need to pay for the crime.

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  3. Teens are considered adults so i believe they are responsible for thier decisions.The teens (18-20) should face their consequences if they drink and get caught, because they have the choice to say no. Hosts shouldn't be sued for an adults decision to do something illegal. It's never okay for a host to serve alcohol to under age adults but again everyone can say no. (Sloan/Bauer)

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  4. Tiffany VanVactor Mr. Sloan Per. 5August 22, 2010 at 10:14 AM

    Granted teenagers can say no to alcohol but most of them dont want to appear uncool so they dont say no and most of them think its ok if they only have a few drinks itll be ok because their thinking process wont change but it is after the first drink ur are not going to be thhinking as you normally would and I know some people will argue with me but honestly I have seen people do things after one drink that they wouldnt normally do and granted some people can drink more without getting drunk but only bused but i think that the teenagers parents shouldnt be abel to sue the parents of the hosts of the party because they didnt care enough to check to see if there was in fact any alcoholic beverages but they didnt and i understand that some parents let their kids drive there but the kids arent forced to drink and if they are going to drink they should designate a driver who isnt going to drink and switch drivers every time i no that they arent supposed to drink legally but if they do they should be smart about it so i dont think this safety act isnt right because most of the time the owners of the house arent even there to supervise the party they dont even no about it untill after they get back most of the time and im sure a few parents do no about the alcohol and some pareents think well if i teach them to drink responsible here then they will drink responsibly at a party some where and other parents say if you do get drunk just call me and ill pick you up i think as long as th e kids are accepting the drinks willingly these hosts shouldnt be sued

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  5. I think that teen drinking is a big issue. I believe that it is the adults and the children who are responsible for that. Adults shouldnt give children alcohol but then again kids probably steal alcohol from their parents or even stores. I think that it is the responsibility of the parents to talk to their kids about alcohol and drinking and hopefully the kids will learn from that and take the responsibility into their own hands. Tori milligan sloan per.3

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  6. The fact of the matter is that teen drinking hasppens. In some cases teens get hurt or even die. The new law states that party hosts which mean everyday people like us 21 and older may be legally resposible for a teen getting drunk. This means that if there is a party and a teen decides to drink, and he gets hurt the party host is resposible. People 18-20 do not have this responsibility. This to me seems unfair because they too are adults. Bars, liquor stores, and resterraunts are also excluded from the law. This also seems unfair to me because they too could fall for a fake id. Tenns use fake ids or sometimes even steal. A part host may not realize that a teen might be secretly drinking.I think this law takes away rights from adults 21 and older. The governtment probably sees this law as a positive incentive because they think it will reduce underage drinking.Which i believe is good, but some people may have to pay an unfair price. This law will have a significant impact on parties and teen driniking.

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  7. the issue of teen drinking is a hard topic to discuss. my personal opinion is that there should be no drinking at any age. however it should be the responsibility of everyone involved. the people that dont cheak id should be fired for not doing there job. the people that just give the under age poeple the alcohol shouuld be fined and the people who steal the alcohol should be punished appropriately. as for the poeple that drink they should be sent to jail for a short amount of time

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  8. I think that part of the issue has to do with the group of 18-20 year old, because at that age they are adults and responsible for their actions however this law wants to pin the problem on older adults. It doesn't make sense to legally become an adult at 18 but cannot drink until the age of 21.If they are considered adults at 18, why do they have to wait till 21 to legally drink if they are adults? The teenagers (18-21) should have their own consequences and not have the issue pinned on aothers when they are themselves an adult. sloan.3

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  9. Tiffany Van VactorAugust 22, 2010 at 5:26 PM

    we cant drink untill were 21 because our brains arent fully developed until were about 21 at least for us girls and guys brains dont develope unitll they are 25 so that means we are more likely to make stupid decissions even without drinking and no matter how old you are alcohol will always affect the way you act.

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  10. Maria Schmidt, Mr. Bauer, Period 5August 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM

    Teen drinking is a major issue these days. No one can make anyone else do something, so adults (18-20 year olds) are absolutely responsible for their decision to illegally drink. Parents who allow their teenagers to go to a party where there will be alcohol are just as responsible as the hosts. The hosts shouldn't even have alcohol unless they are of legal drinking age. Even if no one gets injured, it is never o.k. to provide alcohol to teenagers.

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  11. Parents who host parties knowing full well that kids are drinking should be held accountable for any accidents. Adults know that if they leave out alcohol and walk away, teens will drink it. The responsible thing to do is remain at home and make sure nobody is drinking themselves into a coma, and people who are having trouble standing up are getting proper care. Car keys should be collected by responsible, sober adults, and parents should make sure the party adheres to noise ordinances. I think that it's okay for parents to serve alcohol to minors, as long as they're being responsible and respectful. That being said, parents do have to be careful. According to Time magazine, "…kids whose parents gave them alcohol for parties were more likely to binge-drink. That discovery underscored years of research showing that the earlier people start to drink, the more likely they are to become alcoholics." (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1816475-2,00.html). Parents do have to be careful that their teens are drinking in moderation and know the risks of drinking too much, too fast. A solution offered by the same article was to allow your children to drink, but with you. A supervised environment at home led to fewer incidences of binge-drinking at wild parties. This European approach encouraged safety and "de-mystified drinking" for many adolescents who might have been a little too crazy at an unsupervised party. It's also easier for teens to resist peer pressure to drink too much if parents allow them to experience it at home first.

    I don't think the problem really lies with parents serving kids alcohol at parties. The amount of alcohol-related deaths, things like alcohol poisoning and whatnot, is miniscule compared to the amount of alcohol-related automobile accidents. Teens go to parties legally allowed to operate an automobile, but not legally allowed to drink. These teens believe they're invincible, that they can hold both their liquor and their steering wheel. Germany, similar to many European countries, allows teens to drink at age 16, but won't allow them to drive until they're 18. By that time, the novelty has worn off a bit, and they're not breaking the law by drinking. Teens are less apt to self-destructive behavior when it's allowed. A country that allows you to vote before you can drink seems a little backwards to me.

    --Emily Dirksen
    Bauer
    AP Gov/ Per 4
    22 Aug 2010

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  12. Most teens who drink alcohol abuse it and don't drink responsibly. It is hard to believe any law will stop the use of alcohol at the teenage level. The responsibility lies with the teenager who choses to drink. I think I can speak for everyone when I say we know our consequences before our actions, for the most part. If a teenager decides to drink alcohol and gets into trouble, they should recieve their consequences for their actions, not the host or the parents. It seems like the only accurate way for the teen to learn from his/her mistakes.

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  15. Haley Neal. Bauer Per 1August 22, 2010 at 9:08 PM

    Teen drinking has always been a problem. And most likely, will always be one. However, if anyone under 21 choses to drink, that is their own responsibilty. Its not the fault of anyone who served it to them. Especially if the teen had a fake ID or stole the alcohol, then that teenager assumes 100% responsibility.
    Its pretty much the same in the case of a drug dealer. Its not their responsibility to make sure the teen makes wise desicions while under the influence. If the teen does something illegal, thats pretty much no one's fault but their own. If they are denied by Person A for alcohol or drugs, they could easily find Person B to supply them. They made the effort to obtain the illegal substance, they are responsible for themselves.

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  16. Brian Magina, Sloan p.3August 22, 2010 at 9:46 PM

    No matter what teen drinking will never be able to be stopped, but as far as it being the parents fault when they do drink at their house is a tough decision. By the time you turn 18 you are considered an adult and therefore you should atleast make adult decisions about things. If an 18-20 year old chooses to go against the law then i believe they should be the ones that get punished not their parents. Unless their parents let them drink at their own house then i believe that not only the 18-20 year old should be punished but so should the parent for letting them.

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  17. Party host shouldnt be involved in anything that happends to any body because it's not their fault that people go to the party just to drink.The persons that should really be responsible are the parents for letting their teens go out and party.
    Jonathan Ramos
    Mr.Bauer
    Per.2

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  18. Alexis Watson Bauer 3August 23, 2010 at 7:31 AM

    I believe teens are able to make their own decisions and should be held resposible for their actions. That being said, adult hosts should not make alcohol consumption easier to access. Hosts are considered responsible of what happens on their property and should be fined for any illegal activities. People are arrested for being in the car with a theif when a robbery takes place, it's guilty by association. So how can a host not be guilty when they are providing the alcohol to minors?

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  19. Travis Robbins, Mr. Bauer P.2

    I think most of the time the parents are at fault because they are not ivolved in the kids lives. On the other hand the kids are also at fault because its their decision to drink or not.

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  20. Josh Agans, Bauer Per. 5August 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM

    I think the drinking responsibility falls into the hands of the person supplying the alcohol and the drinker. The adult shouldn't allow under aged drinkers to drink. I am all for the suppliers getting sued for handing out alcohol. As for the under aged drinker, he/she should also be punished in any way. People need to realize alcohol mainly only gets people in trouble; whether it's with the law, injuries, or even mental problems. A lot of accidents and deaths are because of alcohol related accidents. We need to do everything possible to limit those accidents and deaths. Therefore, i think it is the right thing to do to sue the suppliers of alcohol.

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  21. Danielle Bulmer - - - Bauer - - - 4August 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM

    I agree with a lot of the points being made from above. Party hosts who do provide alcohol to underaged kids should be held accountable for what happens prior to the consumption; although, teens too should as well be held accountable for their actions. They know what could happen and that it's wrong and illegal yet they still make the choice to drink.

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  22. Emily Staab
    Bauer Period 2
    I think that bith the parents and the kids are at fault. It is the kids choice whether to drink or not drink. But it is the adults choice to not serve alcohol or serve alcohol. If the kid is drinking and the parents don't know that, then it is also the parents fault. i think the parents should be more of involved in their kid's lives because wether we kids want to admit it or not, our parents have an influence on us. If we see our parents drinking regularly, then we are more likely to drink too.

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  23. I do see the logic in this law. It would cause adults and parents to be much more careful when dealing with children and drinking. It could be what prevents a teen with a fake ID from buying alcohol since the clerk ringing up the teen's order would have to pay more attention to the authencity of the ID. However, there are certain points to the law which I don't agree with. The law should be forced only if the adult is aware of the fact that they are serving and providing alcohol to under aged teens. To an extent, kids need to take responsibility for their actions and I believe it is unfair for a parent to be punished for a child's wrong doing (especially if the parent honestly has no idea that any drinking is going on). The only way a child will learn from any wrong doings is to suffer the consequences. Punishing adults with this law will not help cure very many problems with under aged drinking.

    Devin Smith, P.1., Mr. Bauer

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  24. Luis Anguiano Mr. Bauer Period 2

    I think that parents should take to their kids about alcohol and telling them the risks of it. And i think that the kids are old enough to figure out what is right. And if they do drink it is not the parents fault

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  25. I believe that if party hosts serve alcohol knowing that there are underage people at the party then they should be held accountable for any drinking and driving accidents. The parents who allow their children to go to alcohol parties should also be held accountable. Lastly, the underage teens who drink alcohol should be held accountable for their actions. Anyone taking part in illegal actions should suffer the consequences.
    Erica Ayala
    Bauer
    Per. R
    Per. 4

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  26. Josh McNearney Bauer P.3August 23, 2010 at 4:18 PM

    in this bill it says that the owner of the house are responsible for what ever happens at the house but they cannot control what goes on there when they aren't around. if someone was to get hurt or killed at a party it shouldn't be the owners liability it should be on the host of the party because by the time teenagers start drinking they could be triad as an adult in court

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  27. Teenage drinking is everywhere, even minors that you wouldn't even expect, drink alcohol. i believe that parents or guardians should talk to their children about the consequences of under-age drinking. However, if the child still decides to drink, i believe that it is the child's own fault and should take responsibility for his or her own action. Children now-a-days aren't relatively close to there parents, so i understand if a parent would be unaware of his or her child's drinking habits. Fallowing this statement, i believe that it is not the parent's fault and should not be responsible for any wrongful dues. when its clearly the minors mistake and should be held responsible.

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  28. Teens that are drinking. Their parents should first teach them a lesson.By whats right and whats wrong.Make them understand and follow the law. But If they don't listen to their parents or adults then. Its there fault! they should be responsible for whats right and whats wrong. IF the teen makes bad decision then the parents have to go through it.
    Sania B.
    bauerr... per.3.....

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  29. I think that everyone should be responsible for their own wrong doing, if someones slipping something into your drink that's one thing, but if you, as a minor, drink a heck of a lot more vodka than you should than that's your own fault, not your parents. Anyone that sues with this law probably has (or had) a kid that didn't tell them the full truth about where they were going anyways.
    -- Mr. Bauer
    Period 2

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  30. Erik martin, Bauer, period 5August 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM

    I think that it is the responsibillity of the parents to monitor there children but also to be weary of what there doing when they go to events like parties. those who serve drinks to minors should be held accountable of what happens if anything is to happen to under aged minors.

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  31. Anyone who is capable of obtaining alcohol between the ages 18-20 is responsible for themselves. Even if its illegal, minors will find a way to get there hands on certain substances such as alcohol, they choose to do this because of our influencial society. As for the parents who allow then children to attend such parties, either they are stupid or just simply don't care about the well being of their child. Parents seem less responsible in this generation, almost as un-responsible as the hosts of parties where alcohol is served to minors. Even at adult parties where alcohol is served or left out, they should be cautious of their kids inutition to have a drink as well. No adult should clain innocence because anything can happen, weather or not you're heald accountable is up to a higher authority. Its the same with drug dealers. When dealing drugs, if the buyer is injured because of it, why would it be the dealers fault? The buyer was stupid enough to purchase it.
    - Cierra Gonsalves, Mr.Bauer, Period 2

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  32. Well, minors everywhere drink, and most of their parents don't realize what they do. So why put the blame on them? It's very easy to get alcohol nowadays and most people wouldn't rat out their source. If the person that was caught getting alcohol for the minors then yeah they should get in trouble. I think that adults should talk to their kids about underage drinking and whatnot, so the next time they get caught they get in even worse trouble for not listening. Personally, I think if it's the kids choice to grab that bottle and chug, they should be the ones to suffer the consequences. If the parents of that kid know that they are drinking, then obviously that shows that that parent doesn't care to get in trouble either. So But my advice, don't get caught.

    BAUER P2

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  33. Teen drinking is everywhere and will probably always be everywhere. but it will always be the teens fault that drinks it, it would be no one elses fault but there own. same with drug use, if a drug dealer sells drugs to a person wether they know its a minor or not it would still be the teens responsiblity if they got hurt or caught.
    Kayla O'Hara
    sloan
    p.5

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  34. teen drinking is a major issue and alwys has been. i believe that it is the child's responsibiities for their actions and the parents shoudln't get punished for it, unless they are the ones providing the alcohol or they are invovled in a certain way. if a minor, or someone under the age of 21 drinks and is caught or an accident happens, i think that they should pay the price. what good does it do to have the parents have the concesquences? the minors need to learn from what they did and make better choices for the future.

    ~~brooke fletcher:)
    mr. bauer
    period 2

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  35. I believe that it is the teens fault for drinking or choosing to drink, and that they should face the consequences if they are to be caught or injured. It is their responsibility to care for themselves and to know what is right from wrong. If an older person provides them with alcohol it is still the minors fault because they are the ones who chose to drink it.
    Melissa Quezada
    Mr. Bauer
    Per.2

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  36. I think there is only so much a parent can say to a teen to prevent them form drinking under the age. They can only trust that their child will make the right choice. Whatever the teen decides to do, is his or her own fault.

    Fran
    Bauer

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  37. i think teens are old enuff to know what is good and bad.Parents can only watch their kids to an certain extent they cant always be with them and if the teen makes a wrong choice a parent should not be blamed.Them being imberresed should be enuff and not have to imberrese a parent.Teens should be punished like an adult when it comes to drunk driveing,because they are old enuff to have there license old enuff to be responsible with it to as in driveing drunk or not.

    tania hinojosa
    p.5 sloan

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  38. teenagers know the consequences of doing something wrong being under the influence and getting caught can resault in a bad consaquence
    teens know that but somethimes they decide to make the wrong choice to be cool around theyre freinds.Teens drink to fit in or maybe because it takes their mind off reality.just because some people use it to forget things its not an excuse for them killing someone or getting into trouble while being under the influences.Parents should not be punished the teens should because teens dissobay alot and it is not a parents fault.

    melissa lomeli
    mr.sloan p.5

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  39. Richard May, Mr. Sloan, 4th periodAugust 23, 2010 at 6:19 PM

    To the first question of who is responsible in the cases of fake id, no id check, adult buyer, or just giving it to the minor. Fake id must be the responsibility of who ever supplied the fake id. Most people know what you'd get a fake id for so why play dumb. No id check is the problem of the store clerk/restaurant owner, its their job. Adult buyer is their fault but that also depends on the situation along with giving it to the minor. If parents act responsible with this irresponsible decision and don't let people drive home drunk or even buzzed there would be no problem. It is all about the circumstances.

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  40. Asher Maroot- SloanAugust 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM

    If someone knowingly serves alcohol to persons 18-20, then they are breaking the law. If the server is unknowingly shown a fake id, then they are just doing their job and serving just another customer. If alcohol was stolen, then there is nothing the server can do, unless they had a part in the theft.

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  41. Teen drinking has become extremly popular. I believe parents are sometimes to blame. They allow their kids to drink alcohol when they aren't 21 yet. They may not provide it, but when the child comes home drunk there are no consequences. Parents who host parties and provide alcohol even if they doen't serve it are also to blame, even if no one gets hurt. On the other hand, parents are not to blame if their child hosts a party without consent or knowledge of the parents. A way to solve the problem are fines. Fines should be given to the parents (if they knew of the party) for providing alcohol and community service given to the teens found drunk at the parties. Community service should also be givent to adults 21 and over, found in the parties because they could have been providing the alcohol to the minners. The only way they wouldn't get community service is if they proved who did provide the alcohol or that they didn't.
    Brenda Anguiano
    Mr. Bauer
    P4

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  42. I believe that if a teenager decides to drink it's there choice and if they do get caught, no matter what happens they need to learn from their mistakes. Teens are always going to drink alcohol no matter what people say. I understand what the law is stating, but if the alcohol is given to the teens by parents and it is limited there is nothing anyone can do about it.

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  43. I think that it is the teenagers fault for drinking and the blame should be put on them. Not all parents are aware of what their children are doing, but if they are aware they should get just as much blame as the child. Teenagers will always find a way to get alcohol regardless of the new bill passed.

    Chelsea Ray
    Mr. Sloan
    P1

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  44. teenagers make their own choices, somehow they'll find a way to drink if they want
    just because it's in someone's home or abode shouldn't mean they're automatically liable
    for all of the teens actions, if the adults are ignorant of the happenings of the teens,
    how could they possibly stop it? its kind of giving the teens power over adults, what's the worst that happens to a teen who drinks? and the adults? its kind of like the Hitler youth, the kids are immature, "i don't like my parents, excuse me Mr. SS officer, my parents are Jew sympathizers, arrest them." it's giving teens this power over adults who are completely ignorant of EVERYTHING their teens do, you cant always control someone, it would be impossible, so it is unfair and unjustified to just blame
    hosts, unless those hosts are aware of the situation. p.s. how's that Mr. Bauer? making an example out of me.

    p.s.s. ok DIRKSEN!!!! SEN!

    Bryan Jenks
    Bauer
    AP Gov
    P.1

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  46. (Forgot my name in above post)
    The law revolves around who can point fingers can't it. I believe the people who passed the law only did it to increase their appeal to a certain target audience. I'd wager that with most parties that go on, the adults don't even know it's happening. Its somewhat of a shame that kids will lie to parents about such things. This law means that teenagers who decide to act stupid and lie to their parents will get away not only with lying, but also the crime itself. The teen will be punished by their parents but the law is much more intimidating in my opinion. I think the problem is much deeper than the people serving the alcohol, it think it's the people drinking it. In Europe its not uncommon to have a beer casually with any evening meal. Even the parties are different. Yes, you do get the few kids who get wildly drunk but they are all fairly responsible. Drinking is an option; nobody can make you do it, it's a clear choice. I'll end this post with a question to all the readers: Should a gun store be sued for a person that shot someone?

    Ryan Cabrera
    MR. Bauer
    Economics period 1

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  47. I believe that both parties are responsible in the case of teen drinking. Teenagers definitely need to be responsible for deciding to drink underage, but you can't just let the ones who enabled them to drink go free either. The main problem with this is obviously that in California and the US, some lawyer will find a way to sue someone who had no part whatsoever in the crime and will end up with the majority of the blame for someone else's stupidity.

    Caleb Boyd
    Mr. Sloan
    Per. 2

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  48. Faye Roberson, Mr BauerAugust 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM

    No i dont see this laa haveing any significant impact because most dont even now about this law. This is my first time hearing about this myself.Even if they did hear aboout this im sure it wouldnt becasue most are stuck in their ways and probably would just brush the law off and act like it was never made.

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  49. In my opinion I think 18 year olds are old enough to take their actions, and if their wrong they should get consequences. I think parents shouldnt be punished for theirs children because parents are not always with their kids. Overall, i think 18 year olds should pay for their own deeds.
    Jaskiran KaurMr. BauerPeriod 2

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  50. Teen drinking is a tough issue and i think it will always be. I think that parents and hosts who administer alcohol to minors should be held responsible. It also insures the vendors to actually check IDs of people buying alcohl because they know their job could be on the line. On the other hand teens who drink underage and get caught deserve to be punished and need to take responsibility for their actions.

    Katey Santillan
    Bauer
    P.1

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  51. I believe that the person drinking should be the held in charge for anything that happens to occur. Stores need to obey the law and so do parents but the person who is drinking should fully know the consequences of what they are doing. Seondary blame can be made on the parents, adults, dealer depending on the situation.

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  52. To me, all the fault should lie with the teens. They know the risks and benefits with drinking, and they choose to accept the consequences everytime they get involved with alcohol. But I also believe that if an adult is knowingly selling, buying, or distributing alcohol to teens, then they should have partial blame, but nothing like this new law is stating. This law is definately wack. The people that allow this law to pass are just finding more and more ways to let their teens accept full responsiblities for their actions.

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  53. I think the law is, in essence, spot-on.
    If an adult over the age of 21 hosts a party at which alcohol is present and readily available for minors to partake from, they should absolutely be responsible for any harm that comes to a drunk minor. I believe this because the minor was given permission by the adult to drink; this permission FROM THE ADULT, in my eyes, makes the adult fully responsible for that minor's actions.
    For example, if a store owner tells somebody "yes, i do give you permission to stick your honey coated hand into that bee hive, even though you are allergic to bee stings" so the person does as the store owner allows them to do, and dies. the family of that person could, in our fully litigious society, sue the store owner. (especially if the hell-hound gloria allred is on the case) This does apply to alcohol. i simply juxtaposed the bees with alcohol, store owner with adult party host, and allergic idiot consumer with stupid teens. As emily dirksen said in her blog post, (which i agree with in a surprising amount... emily, we agree on somthing! :) teens and even 20 year olds bodies simply arent mature enough to handle alcohol. This is like the allergic reaction that killed the imaginary consumer guy who magically and quite oddly had honey on his hand. Like his reaqction to bee venom, so our brain reacts with alcohol. alcohol more easily pervades our brain tissue and fills it up, taking the place of brain cells. (i think... look it up in a health book) Therefore, it makes stupid if we binge drink, which emily said the NYT had in one article. anyways, i basically think that adults who host parties should be punished by law, that the minors who participate shouldnt do that to themselves, and that unknowing parents should, once they find out, crack the whip over their children. (for whom they are responsible)
    till next time econ and gov peeps. B-RELL out. Stay sweet.

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  54. Cristian Garcia /Bauer period 3August 23, 2010 at 8:37 PM

    Well its easy for teenagers to get alcohol, parents assume that there kids don't drink but in reality most teenagers have done it. And if the teenager decides to drink then it is the responsibility of the drinker. But if at a party there is a parent that knows that there is underage drinking then there at fault. Also if the teenager is dum enough to drink underage then its there fault in the first place.And if they get hurt or killed its there fault. not the one who sold it to them,not the parents but the parents will suffer if the child dies because of alcohol. All in all dont drink teenagers seen what happens when you edrink. Whats the point of doing Every 15 minuets if the teenager is goin to drink.

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  55. if the parent is actually at the party they should be held responsible for the under age drinking. people who use fake i.ds should be punished not the person they are fooling. i think if the adult knowingly lets minors drink the minors are then their resposibility. parents who dont know there child is having a party or drinking or parents of someone 18 or older shouldn't be held accounted for

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  56. An adult between the ages of 18 and 20 is fully responsible for their own decision to consume alcohol. Anyone who allows a minor to drink is responsibe as well because they are encouragiing it, whether they are the parents or the host. It is never okay to serve alcohol to people of these ages, even if they do not get hurt, because it causes damage and potential addiction to the substance. Sloan/Bauer

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  57. Morgan Woods------>BauerAugust 23, 2010 at 8:47 PM

    I believe that the person who supplied the alcohol is very much responsible for what happens due to a drunken minor. Just a week ago a young man in my church youth group came upstairs to youth group and passed out drunk on the floor, he threw up everywhere and it was an eye opening experience. He got the alcohol from a trusted adult and if that person had not supplied alcohol then he would have never embarrassed himself in front of us and he would not have been in danger of alcohol poisoning. it is becasue of the adult that supplied him that these things happened. therefore the supplier of alcohol to minors should be held responsible.

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  58. In the case of a fake ID, someone that uses a fake ID should be punished accordingly. If there is a failure to check the ID it isn't necessarily the vendors fault, although it is their responsibility to card people who aren't obviously of age and should receive some sort of repercussion for not carding someone.

    Someone between the ages of 18-20 is legally an adult, although it is their responsibility as well as their legal guardians to ensure that they are NOT drinking illegally.

    Adults that claim innocence by leaving alcohol available to minors are just as responsible if they were handing them to the minors. Even if no one gets hurt, it is still illegal and NOT okay to provide drinks to minors.

    In regards to the drug dealers, that is a totally different subject. Drug dealers provide an illegal substance to their buyers. They cannot be held responsible for what happens to the substance after that because there is no due process for drug dealers. You cannot sue a drug dealer for selling you "impure" drugs for example.

    These laws of course do remove rights from people such as the ability to consume alcoholic beverages. However they are there for a reason.

    Johnathon Skinner
    Mr. Sloan
    American Government
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  59. Kayla Rodriguez Sloan Period 5August 23, 2010 at 9:06 PM

    The only person responsible for these consequences is the drinker. We are alll aware of what can happen to us under the influence of alcohol. Yes, some people may try to talk the drinker out of making bad decisions, but ultimately, it is the underage persons fault for pouring the beverage down his or her throat in the first place.

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  60. Hannah EngebretsenAugust 23, 2010 at 9:08 PM

    Hannah Engebretsen
    Bauer
    Period 2

    I agree with Emily G. 100%. I think any situation should be taken into action. Teens know very well what there doing when they drink and the effects it can have on them. The supplier of the alchol should be responsible as well as parents who's children are drinking.

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  61. Rotceh Gonzalez Baur/SloanAugust 23, 2010 at 9:10 PM

    Drinking age is at 21, but why is it that a person can vote and serve their country at age 18. If an eighteen year old can do all that, then why can they not be held responsible for the choices they make at drinking parties. It doesn't matter who hosts the party, they are adults and should be able to know that they can't drink if they are under age or are driving. At the same time another thougth comes to mind-why aren't eighteen year olds allowed to drink. Why is it that a person can go to fight in war at 18, but can't have a drink. If 18-20 year olds were allowed to drink there wouldn't be such a fuss about it. If they know that drinking is an option when they want then they wouldn't gourge themselves with it, what for if they have all the time they need. Getting drunk will happen, because there are those tht never learn. I agree with Emily Dirksen's solution to this problem. The hosts should collect the keys, so when the driver is going to leave they can see the condition they are in. If they can't drive then maybe they can get a desinated driver.

    In conclusion, the law should change so that 18 yr. olds can drink. They are adults, so they are responsible for the choices they make.

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  62. I think it is ridiculous that adults think it is okay to buy and serve alchohol to those underage. It's a law for a reason...you can't just decide which laws you want to follow and which to ignore. In addition, it is perfectly fair for kids who drink underage to get punished for knowingly and purposefully breaking the law. I dont think anyone it's fair for those overage to enable younger people to break the law because it is getting them in trouble and poth parties deserve to be caught and punished.

    Kassie Lizama
    sloan p.2

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  63. I think this law should include some more punishment for the teenage drinker because it is their decision if they want to drink but i also believe the provider should be punished but not held fully responsible for an injury of some sort to the teenager.

    Jaime Gamez
    Mr.Sloan
    Period 3

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  64. I do not think that this new law passed will make such a great impact or diffrence. A teenager drinks because it his choice so therefore he himself should be punished for what he decided to do. Same for the drug dealers they shouldn't be responsible for what happens to their clients, because their clients are the ones who chose to go and buy what ever it is from them.

    -Ivan Cardenas
    Mr. Sloan Per. 3

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  65. I think this new law will have no impact or change on teenage drinking. Party hosts should not be sued for serving alcohol to minors, but the legal guardian of that teen should be sued if caused any damages to others for the consequences of their son/daughter.Teens should be responsible for their actions and should have in mind the consequences for their actions.

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  66. LourdesGodinez
    Mr. Bauer
    P2

    I think if parents or a person 21 or older buy alcohol to underaged people, they should be blamed for the most part. If someone gets injured from drinking at a party and no parents are there, i think that would be the situation where the parents should not be blamed.

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  67. Sergio Maldonado, Mr.Sloan p.3/ Mr.Bauer p.4August 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM

    Both the hosts and the minors should be responsible for injury/death. The hosts should be responsible because they shouldn't serve alcohol at parties where minors will be present or they should at least try to limit alcohol at the party.The hosts should also have the responsibility to not allow other people with alcohol into their party. The minors should be resonsible because they knowingly drank alcohol even though they know they shouldn't and are the ones that probably caused the accident because they were drunk.

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  68. TEEN DRINKING IS VERY BAD!!!! As all my peers have written, teens should be held accountable of their actions. They should fully understand all the consequences and risk to underage drinking. Every two years Galt High holds the Every Fifteen Minutes program where students can see how drunk driving can kill people and how more than one person is affected. The law makers intentions are good on this law to sue those who serve underage drinks and then someone gets killed or injured. They are trying to cut back on the number of teen/alchol related accidents. By this law being passed they are hoping that people who serve alchol at parties will be more smart to choose who they let consume drinks.

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  69. I believe its acceptable for 18 and ups to be the master of their own choices concerning alcohol and drugs. If you do these substances within the proper environments and without the harm or involvement of those who don't wish to participate, then its alright by my standards. People should be allowed the freedom to knowingly degrade their physical health with substance abuse. Its their life why not let them waste it? I believe its the parents job to try and dissuade their child from dug abuse. Can they always stop them? Of course not! I guarantee countless and countless teenagers just within Galt are doing illegal activities without their parent's knowledge. Or maybe with their parent's knowing. Should parents be the one introducing or helping their children with drugs. NO!!! Are drug dealers liable for injury caused by their buyer? Is McDonalds responsible for people who are fat? I don't think drug dealers are responsible unless they are distributing poisoned or tampered drugs(more so than they already are). If some dumb person goes buys a bunch of drugs, knowingly uses the drugs, and then get himself in some stupid accident. Its the dumb person's fault, the supplier is just trying to make a living

    Marklin Nixon
    Mr. Sloan Period 1

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  70. In the case of a parent willingly allowing a son or daughter to attend or host a party in which drinks will be present and consumed, it is partially the parent's fault for not setting boundaries on their son or daughter.
    In the case that a young adult attends a party unbeknownst to the parents, and willingly consumes impairing beverages, it is entirely his or her own fault should anything happen, unless the parents do not know simply because they do not care to find out.

    Bryan Lindsley
    Bauer period 4

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  71. I believe that the consequences should go directly toward the drinker and no one else. For our entire lives we have heard about the consequences of drinking and the problems that it brings. However, people still choose to do it. For example, if you decide to cut school one day with a friend and you get caught, it was your decision to cut school; therefore, you must face the consequences.

    -Chris Woodard, Bauer, Period 3

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  72. to drink or not to drink is a choise many people between the ages 18-21 face constantly. 21 is the legal age to be drinking...but in todays society that age has become younger and younger.
    teens and adult always have the choise, they can make the right choice or not... but i belive people who make it posible for young adults or teens to get alcohol should be punished.parents who allow their kids go to a party where alcohol will be served should not be held responsible if there is a host who should be incharge of who is being served alcohol.there is no justification for eligal drinking and laws should be inforced to make it difficult for underage drinking to happen.
    Alondra munoz
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  73. I think for the most part if an adult knows that a teen is drinking and is allowing it to happen then they are partly responsible, however teens do lie to adults alot to get the alcohol so it is hard to determiine whether an adult knew about it in the first place. I think whoever gives the teens the alcohol should be responsible for anything that may happen to them.

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  74. i personally believe that if you do choose to drink then it is your fault if something were to go wrong. we have been told what the consequences are of drinking yet kids still do. you should be the one responsible of your actions if you choose to drink not the people who serve it

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  75. i think that as a teen in this day an age you have decision to drink an not that teens always pick the right one but anything that goes wrong such as drinking an driving or getting in a car with someone that was dinking you do that at your own will an you should take full responibilty for the out come of anything that goes wrong.

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  76. I believe both the teens and the people who supply them with the alcohol are responsible. Teens know what they are doing is illegal; adults know that what the teens are doing is illegal. The supplier is guilty by association, and I think this is entirely fair. If the adults are at the house where the teens are drinking, then they are guilty. Some people might say that teens make their own choice when they choose to drink, but i think that if drinking was more frowned upon in our asociety, less people would do it and there wouldn't be as many offenses. unfortunately, the adults making alcohol so accessible are not instilling good values into teens. By encouraging them to break laws, they are still guilty by association.
    Kayla Smith
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  77. amanda eckroth
    per.1
    mr.sloan
    no i havent heard of this going on but i think it is the right thing to do. becuz they should never serve alcohol to minors becuz its the law. and i think if alchole is out and they arnet providing the alchole to them then its alright. if they sneak it then hey they sneak it its not the adults fault.

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  78. Dominique Jimenez Period: 5 Sloan.August 24, 2010 at 6:44 AM

    It is not necesarally the persons fault who sold the alcohol to the minor. It the minor themselve's fault if anything happens to them. Because it was their choice to make the stupid decision to drink in the first place. It is wrong for places to sell alcohol to minors on purpose, but if it is a mistake and the minor gets away with purchasing it the minor is puting their life on the line and its not the providers fault.

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  79. I think it's up to the kids if they drink or not. There are alot of people that drink and know how to controll there achool. I think the drinking are should be 18 because you're already an adult
    Alfredo Martinez
    Sloan 1

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  80. I believe the consequences lie in the teen who drank the alcohol and the person who supplied it. adults should know better than to supply a teen with alcohol. however, teens should still know not to drink it. at the age of 18-20 you should know the consequences of drinking. Kayla Sweet Sloan per 1

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  81. Party host should have total responsability because if they know underage kids are drinking they should be responsible for stopping it also but the kids should be the ones getting introuble and responsible for all the consequences also because everyone knows wrong from right and should not accept anything they know thats wrong.

    Jessica Zepeda
    pd.4
    Sloan

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  82. i think people ages 18-20 are responsible for their own actions. If they decide to drink then they must deal with the consequences of their actions. This law is a negative incentive because it discourages an action; the legislators expect this law to decrease the number of 18-20 year olds who drink. I do not think the law will work because i have not heard of it much, it was only because of this blog that i heard of it. If it is not getting enough publicity people will ignore it.

    Omar Hoyos
    Sloan Per.2/ Bauer Per.4

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  83. I think that the TEEN SAFETY ACT The Terminator just passed was stupid. We all know that serving alcohol to a minor is illegal, but it was the minor who made the choice to drink. This is an example of opportunity cost because if the minor chooses to drink, the cost of it is probably something bad.

    P.S. Great topic, Sloan!!!

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  84. Miriam Bejines Mr.sloan p.5August 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM

    I think that teen drinking is a very bad issue because people between ages from 18-20 are not capable to be responsible for their actions and may cause serious cosequences it can be very injured or even death.But I think that this law will help lower this actions.

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  85. I believe that if teens think that they are old enough to drink then they should be old enough to deal with the consequences.But it is true that parent shouldn'y provide the teens with alcohol, but its also true that they can always say no.

    Sylvia Rodriguez
    Mr.Bauer P.2

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  86. I believe that the person drinking is responsible for all of his actions. If teenagers think that they are old enough to drink then they are also old enough to know the consequences about drinking, and how it could affect you and your friends and family. Drinking is a problem, because among young people it is the leading cause in deaths, and thats a big problem.

    Brian Leiva
    Mr. Sloan
    Period 5

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  87. Teens are responsible fo there actons not theh parents even though they are minors. Kids drink without there parents knowing, so they are responsivle for themseleve. Kids should pay whatever consequences for underage drinking not the parents if its not them doing it. Parents are responsible for their kids if there minors but its only towards a certain extent to where t he kids havd their own responsibilities to.
    Gabriela Gomez
    Period 2
    Mr. Bauer

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  88. With this new law that the governor has passed will not reduce teen drinking.Teens will be teens and continue with their partying. Although they might think they are old enough to drink they really do not care about the consequences. they probably think that they wont get caught and get away with it. Many adults do not even know their kids drink and if they do know they really do not care or they just feel like they cant stop them. This law really takes away nobodys rights. Just be sly and do not get caught. I think that if alcohol is such a problem why do they not just ban it from the whole country?
    DIANA REYES
    SLOAN P2

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  89. Teens are always being warned about the danger of alcohol through programs like "Every 15 Minutes". They know the dangers and if they really want alcohol they cant get it with out without a party-host handing it out. Teens know what they're getting themselves into and should be held responsible if they get hurt or hurt someone because of what they do.
    Sloan Per. 3
    Bauer Per. 4

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  90. Regardless of how teenagers get alcohol their gonna drink. whether they "steel it, buy its or have somebody buy it" Teens are gonna drink, whose fault is is? Nobody but there own, before they drink they are completely sober and can make there own decisions for there selves. Its not hard to say no, and yet no everybody does. Teens like to drink not everybody drinks to get "messed up" i do agree that if you can't handle your alcohol you should not drink. Alcohol is abused by several teenagers as well as adults over he age of 21. So should we blame the parents of 21 year old's for the parties they go to or bars they drive home drunk from? NO, PEOPLE make their own choices some may be under peer pressure but that's a personal problem. If you choose to drink under age then you should be ready to take the consequences. NO MATTER THE AGE. Teens under the age of 21 get DUI's and its not like they get another ticket for under age drinking, they simply take the DUI and the consequences that come with it. Age is just a number and i think "21" is over rated.

    Ashley Hall
    Sloan per.5

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  91. I believe that it is the responsibility of the individual to know the laws and to follow them, and therefore they have no right to sue others for their own actions.
    On the other hand, I do feel that a host should be punished, as they are also breaking the law by knowingly serving alcohol to minors, just as someone who gets caught buying cigarettes for minors would be punished by the law.
    As both parties are at fault, the minor cannot put blame on the host, but both should be punished.

    I don't think that this law will make a significant impact on what is already happening. People will still have parties and will still drink despite the new law.

    Sasha Schotzko-Harris
    Mr. Bauer
    Period 1

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  92. Well my thought is if someone buys a fake I.D. is liable for whatever happens to them. Only because they are making the choice to buy it. Now if they weren't checked for I.D., then the person behond the cashier, or where ever they are, is responsible for what happens to hem becasue they didn't do their job. An adult would be liable if they bought alcohol for an under aged kid because if he were to buy then nothing would happen to that person. If they stole the alcohol then the person who took it would be responsible for themselves.

    Blake Harrison
    Bauer
    Period 3

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  93. there are seriously so many starving children out there but we rather waist our money passing laws on things as pathetic as an 18 year old getting drunk.. come on now. Teenagers are going to drink whether they are the highschool quaterback to the senior valivictorian. It is not hard for any of us under the age of 21 to get booze,. All parents can really do is teach their kids right from wrong and expect them to do right. We have to make mistakes to learn from them. as far i am concerened the government can take this one and shove it up their industrial pipelines, because this subject is pointless and annoys me.

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  94. Samantha SchmiererAugust 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

    The liability in teen drinking has been around a long time. Many teens drink whether it is at home or at a party. And many teens don't see anything wrong with it, hence their pictures on facebook and myspace or other public internet sites.
    Anyone who is drinking illegally is responsible for their own actions. Whether the person is 12 or 20 years old. You personally are making the choice to drink, therefore it is your responsibility.
    Personally I disagree with the law. Yes, the adult provided the alcohol, but the minor also chose to drink it. By making the choice to drink it, any further thing that happens to them (throwing up, alcohol poisioning, drunk driving) is their choice. The alcohol impairs their judgement, but they made the choice to drink it in the first place. If the person felt their actions should be in someone else's hands after they chose to drink, then there is no need to drink at all.

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  95. I don't believe that the parents should be responsible for the actions of their children, at least if they did not know that there would be alcohol at the party. If the parents are ok with their kids drinking, then they should be punished, but the kids should also be in trouble too. This should be punishment should be intensified if the parent hosts a party with alcohol. I do not believe that the teenagers should get away with this by saying that they are minors, and therefore could not make a good choice. Just because they are minors, does not mean that they cannot think for themselves. There parents should only be in trouble if they help them throw, or knowingly allow them to go to parties at which alcohol is served .
    Bauer per. 1
    Sloan per. 3

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  96. Though parents,in our society, are held somewhat responsible for the actions of their children, in this case I don't feel its right. If in a grocery store and a child breaks a glass should the parent pay for it? absolutely. If a parent is out of town and a teenager throws a party where a bunch of kids decide to bring and drink alcihol should an unknowing parent be subject to fines and being sued? Absolutely not. Not to sound liberal but kids will be kids. If a situation like this were to occur it does not mean the parents went wrong anywhere in the rearing of that child therefor why should they have to be subject to possibly losing what they've worked so hard for(their homes and jobs
    ) for a kids carelessness?

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  97. every one is to blame when it comes to teens drinking. the dealer that sales the under age kid alchahol, the kid who has a fake i.d, the parents that allow the kid to go to the party, and the friend throwing the party and allowing under age people to be there. there is not just one to blame, its a team game. but it would be a whole nother story if it was the parents alchohol and they were gone and the underage kid got ahold of it. that is the only way it is just the kids fault. they know what they are doing. when they go to partys, they know what is going to happen, its their decision, and there excuse is always "they made me, or they tricked me" but you can always say no.
    kimberlie hernandez
    sloan
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  98. People between the ages of 18 and 20 should be responsible for themselves. This is why they're called "adults." Party hosts can pass drinks out, but these adults can choose to whether or not to drink it. If they decide to take that drink, it is their own fault.

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  99. Tiffany Van VactorAugust 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM

    In answer to ryans question at the end of his response; No a gun store should not be sued just because a person who bought a gun from there shot someone. Honestly you cant really sue them how were they supposed to know that they were going to shot someone.So ow can you sue a hosts parents especially if they didnt even know that the party was going to happen. Or even if they did there is no way to actually tell if they in fact knew about the alcohol consumption. So legally I dont think that any parent should be abel to sue the hosts parents. I know this is like my third post but i read other peoples posts and it keeps reminding me of other things.

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  100. I think that the parents providing the alcohol are responsible but all of the consequences should not be placed on them. It is also the teens decision to drink and to drink and drive. so why should the parents take all the blame? Teens have the ability to say no.

    Bryanna Giordano
    Bauer p.2

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  101. I think the person providing the alchohol and the minor drinking it are both responsible. they both know that its against the law to provide alcohol to minors. they should know the consequences and not do it in the first place.
    Sadie Stephenson
    Bauer Per. 5

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  102. truly when it comes to a drug we know its wrong before we do it so thats not the case for a new law, well drink no matter what because the truth of the matter is we already do, no "law" will change that, if anything the government should tax the hell out of it to help the economy because trying to stop teen drinking is like trying to touch the sun
    NIck cardwell period 3 bauer

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  103. Bauer 4th

    I do belive that if a minor, under age 21, drinks, they do it out of there own free will. I think that if a chiled is going to a party, the Host is reliable for them unless the Host specified that they are not and the parents need to watch take responciblity. when i say this i mean the host ahve the responciblity to watch and keep them out of trouble. If the chilied is misbehaving or sneeks out, the responciblity is on the chiled. I think if your the adult and you are serving alchalic bevriges and you know you have children comming over that you know fully what your getting yourself into. By leaving it out it is the same as you just handing them a cup full of it. My suggestion is if your having an adult party, invite adults. I belive it is up to the parents of the child if you server them alchal even if they dont get hurt. The parents have the decition and they know whats best for there child. Sorry for the spelling, as we all know i cant spell...

    Jacob Farrar

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  104. In a case where a fake ID is involved the liability would be the provider of the fake ID and then teen, with an adult buyer it would be the adult and the teen, with theft it would be the teen. In any case the teen would partially if not fully responsible. Adults that "leave out" alcohol at a party with teenagers are just as responsible as the ones who serve it. This bill is a negative incentive because they are trying to reduce the illegal consumption of alcohol and the death and injuries that occur because of it.

    Jasmine Holt Sloan period 2

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  105. Adults should not be blammed for a teenager's bad decision. Teens drink because they want to and no one forces them to so it's not fair to that person to be accused of anything. Also trying to blame the parents of the teenager that was drinking is just ridiculous because they probably didn't even know the kid was drinking at a party.

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  106. Whats with all the Annominyeses?? Anonymous **
    People can't make themself a Google Gmail Account and sign in at the bottom. it takes less then 2 minets start to finish....

    Younger people are very lazy at some things and i thing this is an exaple on the Voting thing. Off topic? Here you go Mr. Bauer (>^*^)>

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  107. I think that if you are capable of drinking, you should be capable to take the consequences yourself. It’s your body; you have the right to say yes or no to alcohol. If you say yes, then your body is your responsibility; not your parents or friends or anyone else’s responsibility. A parent or guardian may not know that you are under the influence nor did they provide it to you, so why should they get punished for something they didn’t do? You’re the one that drank and couldn’t control your actions, so you should get the punishment, not a guardian.

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  108. Janeiry Balderas, Mr. Sloan, Period 4August 24, 2010 at 7:02 PM

    Personally i believe that it is a good attempt to stop under age drinking. While on the other hand this bill does not really seem to be a good approach to it. In the case that they mention about a person being responsible for someone drinking that is under age in their home, what would they do if something happened to a teen at their home that drinks, but they did not know this. Could we assume the teen brought it, was it the host,or was there other people bringing alcohol? The other issue is also why are 18 to 20 year olds are not responsible, i understand that they might be doing the law because they want to make a point in the drinking age, but yet it still seems unfair for the 21 year olds and older. This law should be revised to make improvements, another fault is that commercial chains can not get sued and that also seems unfair to me but it might be because the government does not want to affect the businesses.

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  109. Alyssa Cuevas

    You are soely resposible for your own actions, the parents shouldnt be resposible if you choose to drink under age or how else are you going to learn your lesson,if the minor chooses to drink then thats on them not the adult, the only way people will learn is on their own

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  110. Ultimately the teen drinking is responsible for their choice. Blaming only the host or server is like people suing McDonalds for making them fat. However, these adults aren't just serving unhealthy food; they are participating in an illegal activity and should therefore incur some consequences because of this association.

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  111. With teen drinking on a rise in the US, It should be the full responsibility of the parents who bring, serve or even know that alcohol will be at their son or daughters party. It is the responsibility of the parents to monitor this and make sure nothing illegal is happening at all costs. I can see that illegal IDs are a different story and parents can not be blamed for this action, but when parents serve alcohol, or store's do not check minors when they buy alcohol, the full force of the law should be forced upon them.

    Here in America we should have enacted the same law and practice that takes place in most European countries. In Germany for example the law states that any person ages 16 and above are allowed to consume and purchase beer or wine. This is perfect for them because it is in the culture of the people and these teenagers are not tempted to drink and drive due to the fact that they can not begin driving till age 18. And in turn most if not all are more responsible and mature for their age. This however will most likely never happen in our country, so we Americans are left with this mess and a huge majority of lazy, inconsiderate and stupid youth.

    Bauer, AP Gov, Period 1

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  112. i believe that the supplier of the alcoholic beverage should be punished. Just because the parents are in the house doesn't mean they should be charged. what if they really didnt know that the kids were drinking alcohol? but yet its supposed to be their fault? no! thats stupid. and yeah people would say they're bad parents for not knowing but honestly you can only judge yourself and no one else. No one asked for your opinion on how the paernets are bad and irresponsible. If the kid wants to go behind their parents' back and drink with friends then they should get in trouble since their the idiots who did it in the first place and got caught.

    however, if there is a party going on and the parents are supplying alcohol to people under 21 then they should definately get in trouble. Im not guna judge them and say their bad parents cause every parent has their own views, but they are putting young minds into danger. Brains under 21 aren't fully developed yet i believe. sure you could turn 18 and think your a big adult but your not mature enough to know the possibilities with alcohol. You could think your sooo cool and drive after you've been drinking just because you think your capable of it but it always ends badly. Im not saying that once you turn 21 your all of a sudden God and cant do no harm while drinking alcohol, i just believe that they are more mature instead of a teenager.

    With all this said i strongly believe that the supplier of the alcohol should be the one punished and not the parents because who can control their kids 24/7?? Why have your family member arrested for something they didnt no about and have to live your punishment? your the dumb one. But, if it is the parent that is supplying the alcohol then i hope you do get arrested :P

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  113. Lucero Cardiel. Mr. Bauer 3rd periodAugust 24, 2010 at 7:25 PM

    Teen drinking has always and will always be a problem. If a parents allows the child host a party then the parent should address that there should be no alcohol. The parent is reliable for anything that may happen. Now if the parent trusts their child to go to a party then the parent should not be reliable for anything that may happen where the child is going.

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  114. Sloan Period 1
    I think that people who are between the ages of 18-20 younger or older are responsible for their own decisions, people are responsible for their actions no matter what the situation is. I Also think parents have responsibility maybe more than the hosts b/c they're letting their teen go to this party, whether or not they have permission to go. Adults can claim innocent if they leave the alcohol out and don't actually serve it if they don't know the party is actually being held there. Its NEVER okay to serve minors alcohol period.

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  115. Its the responsibility and liability of the underage drinkers if someone gets hurt. It was their choice and other people shouldnt be getting blamed for it.

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  116. I don't see this law having very much of an impact. Under aged drinking will still go on but they will just be more careful about it. I also don't think that it is right for an adult to get in trouble for what happened to a kid who made a bad choice at the adults house while not being there.

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  117. Jacqueline OlympiusAugust 24, 2010 at 7:47 PM

    In my opinion, the Teen Alcohol Safety Act of 2010, or AB2486, should not have been passed. The consequences of drinking should not be put on anyone else other than the person drinking. It is common knowledge what can happen when a person drinks and so therefore, it's just a risk that the person who drinks knows that he/she is taking when consuming alcohol. The supplier is simply helping out a friend when they make them a fake ID or buy for them. In most cases, they don't intend for anything bad to happen to the person, therefore, should not be punished if anything does. Not only does this law seem unfair, it also seems like it would cause a lot of hassle in the court system when trying to designate who exactly left out the alcohol or who's alcohol it was that the drinker had been drinking. Often at a party, it's not just one person who provides the alcohol so what if the person had consumed some of one person's beer while also taking jello shots that were the production of someone else. For these main two reasons, unfairness and complexity, I do not agree with the Teen Alcohol Safety Act of 2010.

    AP Econ
    Sloan, Period 3

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  118. Justin Tyler, Bauer p.3August 24, 2010 at 7:49 PM

    I feel that underaged drinking will never be stopped no matter what the law. I feel that teenagers make their own decisions when they decide to consume alcohol. Because of this thought, i find it hard to believe that putting the blame on the parents is correct. As for drug dealers, i do not think that they are the ones to be held responsible if someone gets hurt while using their products because they didnt make them use the drug they had to buy it and once they use it it is their own fault.

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  119. Nathalie Trevino; A. Bauer period1August 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

    I firmly believe everyone should take responsibility for their own actions no matter the circumstance or their age. 18-20 year olds should be held responsible for their own decisions since at the age of 18 you are legally considered an "adult", thus you are making an "adult" decision. As for party hosts such as parents, i'm sure most parents aren't aware of the illegal activity going on, and i'm sure most parents are not enabling their children to participate.

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  120. USUALY FIRST OF AL ITS THE DRINKERS RESPONSIBILITY ON THEIR DESICION WETHER TO DRINK OR NOT. IT SHOULDNT BE BLAMED ON NO ONE ELSE BUT THEM ITS NOT LIKE IF THEY WERE BEING FORCED. ALSO IF THE PERSON OR THE ADULT KNOWS THAT MINORS ARE GOING TO A PARTY THEY SHOULDNT BE ANY ALCOHOL BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER AGE.

    PERI0D 2 MR. BAUER

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  121. i feel like this law has both good and bad aspects. the ones who are supplying should be held accountable for supplying, thats it. cashiers who do not check id should be held accountable for not doing their jobs correctly. neither of these people should be held accountable for the underage drinkers actions because they had no way of controlling them. the underage drinker should be the one who faces the most severe punishment, not those who supply because in the end it was the teens decision to drink, not the supplier or the cashier. i believe this law is meant to be a negative incentive to stop underage drinking, but i highly doubt it will do so. teenagers will always drink, thats just a fact, but if you want to make teenage drinking a less severe problem, you have to punish the teens directly, because if the parents get punished they wont learn and they will think they can get away with it in the future because they were not faced with punishment.

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  122. I believe that anyone who provides alcohol to those underage should be held responsible since they know they are breaking the law by doing so. This is not to say they are the only ones responsible. Anyone drinking underage should be held far more accountable since it was their decision to break the law as well, when they could have just said no to the adults providing alcohol.

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  123. Yes someone older than 18 is responsible for the choice to drink or not. They are legally adults and should be able to make the choices themselves. The parents that allow teens under 18 that let their children go to parties with should have the same responsibility as the host. It is the parents duty to look out for their kids. However if the child is over 18 the parents have no say anyways because they are legally an adult and can do as they please knowing the consequences.

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  124. Jacob Liebig, Mr. Bauer, Per. 5August 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM

    I feel that, if the hosts of a party knowingly provide alcohol to minors, they should be liable. This is not to say that any responsibility is taken away from the teens who made the decision to drink, but they are not solely at fault. The teens are capable of making their own decisions, and it is they who made the decision and chose to drink, but anyone involved in the teens' aquisition of the alcohol should be , at least, partially at fault if any sort of injury results from it.

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  125. kids between the ages of 18 and 20 are pretty likely to drink at least once. it's their own choice to do so, so they must know the consequences of that action. but the person supplying the alcohol has never before been held accountable when clearly they are just as guilty as the minors drinking; they are at just as much fault if someone were to get hurt or even die.

    Sloan
    p.2

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  126. I'd have to agree with Chris Woodard we have all heard what consequences can happen when we drink if we choose to. Also it should be the drinker's fault for any injuries and what not that happen while they are under the influence.

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  127. I think the law is a good start for adults to think twice before giving a minor alcohol at there party.But i think that not all of the problem should go to the adults because minors always get a way to get what they want and more if that will make them look better in the eyes of others.
    Carolina Garcia Bauer Pr.5

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  128. When you're 18 you're old enough to make your own decisions. You can't be blaming people for the decisions you make. The law is unfair because even though adults know better,you cant blame them for teens wanting to drink. teens that want to drink will find a way to drink regardless of the law. It's thier responsibilty if anything happens, and they should have to deal with the consequences instead of putting the blame on someone else.

    Anthony Garcia
    Period 5
    Mr sloan

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  129. Tyler Glenn, Sloan Period 3August 24, 2010 at 8:33 PM

    When you are older than 18 you make the choices on your own. Which is why the teen drinking issue is out of the hands of many. I do feel that if an adult supplies the alcohol and allows teenagers to drink should be held accountable for anything bad that happens. If the parents are not their at the house though and they didn't supply the alcohol it is not their responsibility, it is the responsibility of the drinker. In the big picture, it is 100% the teenage drinkers choice weather or not to drink, but if you are supplied the alcohol by an adult I feel it should definitely be the providers fault.

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  130. If you plan to drink illegally that is your choice not the host's choice. I can understand what this bill is trying to prevent but in the end you alone have to be responsible for your own actions. If you want to drink, if you think you are "grown up" enough to drink, then act like it and take the consequences of your actions instead of pawning the consequences off on another person. You made the choice so you deal with the repercussions.

    Period 2
    Mr. Sloan

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  131. Underage drinking is a highly popular activity in our country today which leads me to believe that this law will have little affect on party hosts.While our police do their bests to catch parties in the act hundreds can still go on without anyone the wiser.Young adults (18-20) will believe that they can easily get away with this and won't suffer any consequences.Young people at this age have more incentives to drink than an adult by thinking its cool and fun.So parents cannot be held responsible for what their children do when they can't be watching their every move. Even though, letting their kids go to a party knowing that there will be alcohol is a wrong they need to trust their kids and believe they will just say no.Unfortunately, young adults will not stop drinking because of this law and we can only hope that they are being safe while doing so.(Bauer/Sloan)

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  132. Even though this new law has been passed I strongly believe that minors will still find a way of consuming alcohol. I think that if people are hosting a party where they know minors are present then obviously the minors are going to get their hands on alcohol even if they're supervising. Party hosts should be held accountable if anything happens because they know adolescents will find a way of getting alcohol when it's right in front of them especially since a lot of young adult and teenagers enjoy drinking. Even then, minors should get in trouble too because they should be smart for their actions and they are the ones whom are consuming it so they should be blamed too.

    Christina Luna
    Mr.bauer
    p.01

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  133. I believe that anyone under the age of 18 does not fully understand the responsibility and the consequences that come along with drinking alcohol. But for anyone between the ages of 18-20 should be held responsible for what they do, not the host. The host might be unaware of the underage drinking, or maybe might feel rude if they ask how old the person is. It is not their responsibility to check everyone's ID that walks in the door. So I believe that the host serving the alcohol should not be punished for serving alcohol to a person between the age 18-20.
    -Vanessa Gutierrez
    Bauer 2 per.

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  134. I believe that teenagers cannot take the responsiblity of drinking. There are various subjects that support this case such as alcohol poisoning, people getting drunk and coming to prom and/or other school functions, and in general partying. In a teenagers life choices equal consequences and the choices we cast reflect onto our siblings and future lifestyles. Many teenagers believe drinking is something that should be allowed, and also believe they are responsible. Last year we had our every 15 minutes rally and the impact it had on students varied. The whole point of that was to tell teenagers the dangers that follow drinking under the legal age of 21. Hosts should be prosecuted for letting such shananagons occurr inside of their environment because if you really think about it, it's indeed wrong. What if that minor was to die? I would consider it the fault of the Host because they allowed this activity. I would also say the Host should in fact be charged with murder. In general teen drinking is ridiculous, and no matter how responsible a teen ma think they are, once alcohol becomes a part of the factor there is NO CONTROL. (Sloan P1)

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  135. I believe that the bill is a good thing, parents and kids should take the correct punishment for thier actions, parents should be aware of where their kids are and what their doing. if something were to happen at that party a punshiment would be in oder, it should be the same way if things wernt to happen.

    Trista Dowdy
    Sloan per.5

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  136. Danielle Smith, Sloan P1August 24, 2010 at 9:04 PM

    The liability of a fake ID, no ID check, an adult buyer, or theft all are on the distributor of the alcohol itself. Though people drinking under the legal age limit are responsible for their actions, if the alcohol was not given to them or put around the house, there would not be an underage drinker. Any adult who allows a person who is underage to drink is irresponsible without a doubt. If they know their child is becoming a raging alcoholic by age seventeen, they should probably take care of that and actually try parenting becaus obviously something went very, very wrong with their ways before. Adults as a whole should be more aware of what kids are doing. It's really pretty pathetic. Regardless of who gave out the alcohol, teen drinking is wayyy out of hand. It's sad seeing how "cool" it is to be falling down drunk or high as a kite. It really makes the kid doing it look pretty pathetic. But if a parent distributed that alcohol for for the party, that's pretty low too. Drinking altogether is stupid. There is NO upside to it besides being the cool kid in high school...congrats, that's not a good thing, generally speaking. I'd hope the change government is hoping to see is a change in the kids' actions. Maybe if some of the kids didn't "rage" so hard on the weekends and waste their time killing their liver and living for the nights they'll never remember, the test scores would improve a bit and we wouldn't have to be under constant watch. The teens of today might actually be able to contribute to society someday if they didn't waste so much time with a beer in their hand today.

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  137. Chad Farris, Period 4 - SloanAugust 24, 2010 at 9:06 PM

    The liability lies with each of the scenarios except the fake ID where the kid is deceiving the store clerk or host. Teenage drinking at a house or party where adults are supplying the alcohol is the responsibility of the adults first but the minor is also breaking the law. Ultimately, we are all responsible for our own actions as teenagers. Parents who allow their children to go to parties where other adults are present expect that the adults will not allow any underage drinking nor drugs. Whether or not anyone is injured or killed it is still illegal for underaged drinking.
    In situations where kids are doing drugs, yes, you could blame the drug dealers, but they are going to be hard to find and match up to the kids who are doing the drugs.

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  138. Cecy. G :) P.5 SloanAugust 24, 2010 at 9:10 PM

    As many students agree,teenagers do not accept the responsibility that comes with drinking.Teens 18-20 should be responsible for their actions such as drinking, not just the adult hosts of a party. The adults at the party, cannot claim innocence if they do not serve the alcohol because either way, if they know its there, they should be old enough to understand that its wrong. This law does not take away anyones rights because only people who are 21 are allowed to drink and that shold be it.

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  139. this law does have its flaws because when you are 18, you are legally an adult, and you are to be punished like one. Sometimes teenagers have parties when their parents are away, which in sense is not fair to the parents, but on the other getting an underage teen in alot of trouble often changes the way they think. if you were to drink at a party, you should be held accountable no matter what.

    Ruben Rodriguez
    Mr. Bauer
    Per.3

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  140. I Believe that the people that serve the drinks are realiable. They are over the age of 18 and should be held responsible for serving the drinks to minors that already get in enough trouble and dont need something else to influence them.

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  141. To make sure that there is no confusion about liability for underage drinking. there should be one age when teens become adults not two, 18 and 21. I don't think its fair to try teens as an adult but not give them all the rights as one. The legal age should just be 18, and once they are 18 they can be responsible for everything. Or this age can be 21 or anything in between i don't care but it should be one or the other

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  142. Teen drinkers shouldn't drink because of there level of maturity. I think that who ever hands out the alcohol to the underage drinkers should get in trouble because if the teen gets hurt or dies the person who allowed them to drink should be reliable. They allowed it to happen.No matter what the case may be, teens shouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol!
    Erika Oropeza
    Mr. Sloan
    Period 4

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  143. Enrique Angulo
    Bauer
    Economics
    24 August 2010

    First off my opinion is that if this law is to take place then there really wouldn't be any drastic changes due to the fact that there has been similar laws like this one and those laws are broken all the time.As for the minors well their parents are supposed to be responsible for them but then again we have some parents who can barely take responsibility of them selves meaning that the majority of minors go out at any time they want and when ever they want without any admission of an adult.Minors consume alcohol because they find a way to get their hand on it.

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  144. Since i will never drink alcohol for as long as i live, i don't care how much they punish people for their irresponsible consumption. Give them the death penalty.
    Teenagers are not responsible enough to drink. We do stupid enough stuff already. If an adult actually serves a teenager alcohol knowingly, then the do deserve to be punished.
    This law could be a step in the right direction. The state government is finally applying a punishment to something that is or should be illegal already. Isn't it illegal to serve alcohol to a minor? Gosh people can be so dumb.
    If a teen steals the drink. it's at no fault of whomever he stole from. If he gets a fake ID, then whoever made the ID is partially responsible. If an older friend or family member buys it for them, they should also take partial responsibility.
    With the passing of this law, we can expect to see much more ID checks, and hopefully much less alcohol related tragedies.

    Sorry if i sound agitated. I've been at this for an hour and a half, trying to get my wireless to give me a connection long enough to find the site and post this.

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  145. I think that teen drinking is stupid, teenagers should not be drinking at our age. Lets face it most teenagers are irresponsible and do stupid things even when not drunk. I think that the parents leaving alcohol out are just as responsible for what ever happens. You should put it away and tell everyone not to drink it.

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  146. Isabel De La Rosa
    Bauer
    p.2
    Hosts of parties being held responsible for the actions of minors drinking at their home with their consent or not is not fair. Even though most minors drinking are not old enough to drink they are old enough to know right from wrong and they know that an irresponsible decision can lead to dangerous consequences. Consequences that I believe they should be held responsible for. This law would make an impact because more minors would be drinking since they would not be held accountable if caught.

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  147. The incentive the law is trying to make is a negative one. There is hope that by scaring the adults, they will make sure there will be no illegal drinking. Now if an adult supplied an extreme amount of alcohol to a large amount of under aged drinkers, then is where you could face a problem. The parents should have absolutely no blame for their child drinking at someone else’s house though. What would that do? By now the “child” has gotten to a point in their life where they will do what they want. How many times has your parent/s said “Don’t do that. Its bad.” And you go ahead and do it anyways, knowing of the consequence? You are thinking about the cost and benefit, which means if you do that bad thing the benefit of it is “worth” the cost. What if that parent said “Don’t go drinking tonight” and you lied and said “ok I won’t” but go do it anyways? The parent trusts you to be a good kid, yet you made that choice to let them down. So I don’t think they should be blamed there. I personally think that the government is making this “under age drinking problem” too much of a dilemma and it’s getting too complicated. What is so bad about drinking? Isn’t it more appealing to do something when there are risks of trouble? Is drinking more important than serving your country? In the US you can join the service at 18, but you can’t drink till 21? Why 21? Do people, when they turn 21 automatically receive a gift in the mail of being a responsible drinker? It doesn’t make sense. If you can vote when you’re 18, join the service when you’re 18, and engage in sexual activities when you’re 18, why not drink? Sure in the beginning teens would abuse this right of drinking at a younger age, but eventually they would get sick of it a grow up. Also, if parents drink with their kids, not at a party, but like at dinner, it would make drinking not as interesting because they know what it's about. It's not as mysterious. It's like when you're a child and you see a toy you can't have. You want it so bad, but once you get it and have played with it for so long or know what it does, you get bored with it, and don't play with it as much. It's kind of the same thought processes with drinking. If that makes sense.

    Bauer per.1
    Sloan per.2

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  148. Parents are responsible for the actions of their children. Today, it seems teenagers are deprived of limitation due to the disconnect that they have with their parents. Why are teens able to leave their homes and go to a party at night? Why? – Well, where are the parents?! Is the familial infrastructure of America at such demise that parents can’t even use common sense anymore? (Sloan P.3/Bauer P.4)

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  149. Sarah Richter, Bauer, Period 4August 24, 2010 at 9:26 PM

    I think that if a parent has giving a teenager alcohol and they get hurt that the parents should be reliable. If an 18 year old gets caught drinking and gets hurt, they should have to pay there own consequences because they are of a legal age. 18 year olds should no right from wrong and shouldnt blame it on a parent. If a child steals alcohol and then gets hurt, the parents shouldn't b reliable because they wernt aware.

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  150. Kevin Krivda, Mr. Bauer p1
    Parents who knowingly let thier kids have parties and drink alcohol should get into trouble with the law because it is a crime for minors to drink. No matter how many precautions these parents take when their kids and friends drink like taking everyones keys, they are still contributing. I have for one seen it first hand and felt that the parents should get into some sort of trouble (thats why parties must be thrown with parents out of town).

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  151. i think the drinking age should be lowered, look at germany you only have to be 16 to buy alchol there and everything seems to be running better. kids need to know there limits thats the thing. drinking isnt a big thing to kids in germany because its legal. If we lowered the drinking age i think kids could safely figure out there limits and become safe drinkers...

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  152. i think that it was a good law that passed because that would mean that there is going to be less teenagers drunk driving, so less risk for the family on the road. this also mean that people aren't going to throw as many party's because they are going to be afraid that if something happens after the party they are going to b blamed because they were the ones giving the alcohol. i dont think that it should be all the problem of the person giving the alcohol because the parents are also letting them party. parents were once young and they know how party's get, they know that with or without the permission of the parents they are still going to drink. so this means that it should also be the problem of the parents.
    if they are 18 and older it should be there problems. if a teen gets caught with allot of weed or for something else at age 17 they go to court they get trialled as an adult why cant they trial as an adult for drinking.

    Jose Munoz Per. 5 Mr. Bauer

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  153. Margarita Flores p.5August 24, 2010 at 9:37 PM

    I really do not think it is fair to sue the host beacuse it is the person's responsibility if they get injuerd or killed, beacuse you have a choice to make the right desion or break a law. if you break a law only your slef should suffer the consquences. The host may be brakeing the law to serve it to teens, but those who chose to brake the law will get achol no matter if the host serves it or not they wil find a way and those kind of teens should only suffer the consquences on their own.

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  154. Teenage drinking has existed for many generations. Trying to eliminate it completely would almost be impossible. The education on the dangers of drinking have been introduced to teens, therefore if a teenager is responsible enough to drink they should be responsible to be held liable. Serving alcohol to minors is not right, however as i stated before, teens will always learn the hard way. I have noticed that the amount of teenage injuries due to alcohol were significantly less in European countries. Perhaps the lower drinking age eliminates the will of teenage rebellion. Anyone think they know why??

    Gabriella Cello
    p.3
    Mr.Sloan

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  155. I believe parents who brought or even know about their teens alcohol consumtion should be penialized; if the teen does enough to conceal this fact then the parent should not be penialized.

    -Victoria Turney
    Bauer 1st

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  156. Ricardo Rivera
    Mr. Bauer
    Period 5

    I think teens in the age of 18-20 are old enough to make their own decisions. Parents should get punished for letting the teens drink but also the teens should get punished because their the ones making the mistake to drink. Nor it is ok for parents to let teens drink. It can cause maney severe problems and dangerous affects.

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  157. Alejandro Ibarra ( Mr. Sloan, P.1)August 24, 2010 at 9:54 PM

    I believe that teen drinking should be closly monitered. The truth is that no matter what laws the government makes teens will still drink. Thats why i find the law kinda useless except for the fact that it might lower the drinking rates of teens which is better than notthing. On the other hand i believe adults should not be charged for what a teen does because they arent the ones drinking illegaly. I believe that anyone the age of 14 or older is smart enough to know what they are doing, thats why I say that if they choose to drink they should be the only ones punished no matter the circumstances.

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  158. You do the crime, you pay the time. I think that philosophy should carry through to this as well. I don't see the logic behind the adults getting in trouble for what their kids do if the adults themselves have done nothing wrong. Teenagers know what they do, and they know when it's wrong. It's only fair for them to learn from their consequences, and if they're not getting punished for their wrong doings, how will they learn?
    Kimberly Smith
    Bauer
    Period 1

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  159. ricardo villalpandoAugust 24, 2010 at 9:56 PM

    in my opinion i think that the person who consumes the alcohol should take all responsibilities for what happens because even before they begin to drink they know what they are getting them selfs into, so i think that the provider should be left along and the consumer should take the fault

    ricardo villalpando sloan pr.5

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  160. karina ramos sloan p.1

    i believe that teenagers have the most responsibility of it all to be drinking or not.
    but i could also see where this bill/agreement is coeming from. parents also do have to be aware of what their teeens do. i dont think its ever okay for a minor to serve underage teens alcohol even if they dont/wont get hurt. i also believe that it will be harder to pass the bill in resturants and bars because it will limit the age of drinking alcohol.

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  161. Gerardo Salcido
    Bauer P.5

    I think that all teenagers know the effects of alcohol and know the consequences if caught illegally drinking. Knowing all this teenagers still drink and should be ready to suffer the consequences if caught.

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  162. i believe that teenagers have the responsibility of drinking. they shouldn't drink till they are 21 but you can't stop them from drinking at parties they will drink but they know they have the responsibility. parents have to know if there kids are drinking they have the responsibility as parents not to let there kids drink.

    Sloan
    P.3

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  163. teenage drinking, i think is the biggest problem in america. it has increased in the number of teenagers arrested for fake IDs, & the increased rate of deaths do to the cause of teenage drinking & driving. stores also have the blame for this. they dont check really good if they are fake IDs there given, i think they should be sold only to people the actually look over 21 or around that age. but still make sure its a real ID. some liquor stores dont even care what they are selling as long as they are getting their money. some teenagers are responsible for their acts, some drink & handle it right. they dont do anything that could get them in trouble easily, not like some of the other teens that just think think thats nothing bad is going to happen. most of those thoughts go to bad situations. that law still wont have any effect to todays alcohol abuse, people still will buy alcohol to minors, fake IDs will still be published & used, & also they still will be stolen. this rage for alcohol will never end. maybe 'til teens learn their lesson, maybe it'll change, one day,

    israel bautista
    mr. Sloan
    1st period.

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  164. i think the person who consumes the alcohol should be held accountable. sure, if parents serve the alcohol to minors they should be held responsible but the minors should be as well. it would be virtually impossible to pass this law if it applied to commercial vendors because then it would be the same as prohibition, and that wouldn't happen for sure. basically, i believe liability lies with the person who consumed the alcohol. at the ages considered in this article these people are all capable of making smart descisions, so if they decide to drink, they should be prepared to handle the concequences.

    Hayley Swearingen
    G. Sloan
    Am Gov Per 4
    24 Aug 2010

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  165. the people responsible for teenage drinking are the teenagers themselve because they know that it is illegal to drink alcohol and most of the time teens drink with a risk of getting caugh. although the people that sell or get teens the alcohol also have a responsibility because they know that the legal drinking age is 21 in the U.S.
    -Cristina Bernal
    Mr.Bauer P.3

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  166. In my opinion I think it is the teens responsibility because if they can make the decision to do something illegal, then they qualified to take for responsibility for their actions. Even if it is supplied or given to the teen they have a choice to either take the alcohol or not they are not being forced to drink. So in my opion no I don't think passing The Teen Alcohol Safety Act of 2010 is a good thing. Either way like a drug addict or dealerr they will find a way to get what they want. It doesn't make a difference what they pass because one way or another they will get what they want. So no I don't think the parents are responsible for what the teenagers do.

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  167. When people reach their teenage years, I believe that they know well enough to know what's best for them and what's not best. It is up to THAT person to make the decision, no one else. Parents can only say so much to their kids, and in the end, their kid will do whatever they want. A person who is selling fake IDs are doing so because that is their job. It's not right, but it's being done anyways. Laws to enforce the limitations on drinking and drugs are only helpful to an extent, in my opinion because only so many people follow the laws and rules.

    Chrissy Vue
    Sloan
    Period 3

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  168. If alcohol is served to a minor the host should not be sued by anyone. The child was making an adult decision and should have to deal with the consequences. However if a death was to occur do to excessive drinking the Adult in charge should be charged with giving alcohol to a minor because it is against the law

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  169. Sloan
    Period:4

    I believe that a minor drinking is not a good idea at all because it can not only harm your health but you emotions, learning process and much more things. If a minor purchases alcohol with a fake ID or with an adult buying it for them is their fault in some part because they are making the decision but they can also be influenced by the people around them specially when its the parents who are drinking and giving their kids a bad example. I think that it can also be the one who buys or gives the alcohol the one who should be responsible because they know they should npt be doing that, because they can get into major trouble, and even go to prison because anything that has to do with a minor is a criminal act.

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  170. I believe the individual making the choice to drink alcohol should be held accountable for whatever happens to them, especially if they are ages 18-20. That would mean they are already legally an adult and can make adult decisions like choosing to consume alcohol. One would assume that people of this age would know what kind of affects it can have on them. If alcohol is served to a minor, the host should not be held accountable, nor should the owner of the house if the host happens to be a minor. Unless someone is forcing a minor to consume alcohol, they know what the consequences are. I believe this law will do nothing but cause awkward and unnecessary court cases.
    Kevin Langan
    Bauer Period 3

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  171. I believe that people between the ages of 18-20 should be held accountable for their decision to partake in underage drinking. At that age you should know that it is illegal and realize the consequences for your actions. Parents who knowingly allow their children to be a part of underage drinking at parties should also be held accountable because they are suppose to be role models and should know that drinking isn't what's best for their child.
    Ryan Klucznik
    Bauer
    P.4

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  172. Caleb Newman
    We should be held accountable for our own actions. If you drink and get hurt, that is your fault and don't blame it on any one else. It is not their fault that you made a dumb choice and thus to sue them is wrong.

    Having said that, those who allowed them to have the alcohol should be held accountable for their actions. If they knowingly distribute or allow its distribution, then they should punished according to law.

    clearing the line. my fault for making it available, your fault for taking it.

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  173. Bauer, Period 2
    I think that the person who illegally drinks as well as the person who contributes should be considered guilty if anything is to happen.Both are just as guilty.One for not drinking responsibly and the other for offering alcoholic drinks to people under 21

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  174. I believe the ones taking part in the illegal activity should be the one's punished. If the parents are knowingly giving their children alcohol, then they should suffer the consequences.

    Now whether or not the parents should be punished when they are unaware of their child's actions is debatable. Some may think that the parents should be more cautious when it comes to their child's well being, but is there really away to know everything your child is doing without being too constricting?

    Underage drinkers should definitely have at least some responsibility in their illegal consumption of alcohol. 18-20 year-olds should also have FULL responsibility when it comes to underage drinking. After the child becomes an adult, I believe the adult then bears minimal responsibility.

    Drug dealers who knowingly provide alcohol to minors should also share equal responsibility as the underage drinkers, too. The places that don't properly ID individuals should also suffer the consequences.

    I don't think this law takes away any unalienable rights from the teens, parents, or the drug dealers, and certainly is a reasonable law to be passed.
    Conner Woods Bauer

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  175. I believe the ones taking part in the illegal activity should be the one's punished. If the parents are knowingly giving their children alcohol, then they should suffer the consequences.

    Now whether or not the parents should be punished when they are unaware of their child's actions is debatable. Some may think that the parents should be more cautious when it comes to their child's well being, but is there really a way to know everything your child is doing without being too constrictive?

    Underage drinkers should definitely have at least some responsibility in their illegal consumption of alcohol. 18-20 year-olds should also have FULL responsibility when it comes to underage drinking. After the child becomes an adult, I believe the parent then bears minimal responsibility.

    Drug dealers who knowingly provide alcohol to minors should also share equal responsibility as the underage drinkers, too. The places that don't properly ID individuals should also suffer the consequences.

    I don't think this law takes away any unalienable rights from the teens, parents, or the drug dealers, and certainly is a reasonable law to be passed.
    Conner Woods Bauer

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  176. Joeylee Maimone Sloan period 4
    I believe that if someone is going to get accused or caught serving alcohol to an 18 year old, the adult/parents AND the 18 year old should get in trouble. Once you turn 18 you are considered and adult so you should also have consequences for the decisions you choose to make, not only the parents. However, if the parents are promoting illegal drinking to 15 and 16 year olds then that's a totally different story. I don't think it is right for a parent to promote illegal drinking for many reasons but in the case of an 18 year old, they are both adults and should make smarter choices.

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  177. i think teen drinking is bad. although parents are responsible for their children, teenagers are still responsible for their own actions. also, parents should not have alcohol accessible to any underage drinkers in the house.
    breana spiro
    p4 sloan

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  178. I believe that teen drinking is not the best thing they should be doing with their live at that point. I also do not believe that a host at a party should be punished for a bad call that the teens took upon themselves. They have a right to give out drinks to people over the age of 21, although if they were to willingly give it to a teen under the age of 21, then they should be held responsible.
    Michael Freeman

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  179. As a teen my self ive been in situations where ive seen adults or the oldest person over 21 get in trouble with the law over the decision of others to bring alcohol. In a way he or she does have a responsibility to stop minors from drinking but sometimes its unavoidable as those minors can find almost any way to get alcohol.The law i believe does have just but must have its limitations or specifications other than that i totally agree with it.
    Francisco gonzalez
    Mr. Bauer p. 2

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  180. Everyone has the right to make their own decision. Whether to drink or not. Parents should be held responsible to talk to their kids about the danger of alcohol,what and who it affects and the consequences for drinking too much. In a way it's good for teens to learn on their own their limit and how to control themselves in the future. The law passed is simply to protect teens who party from the dangers of alcohol but I believe it still wouldn't stop them.

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  181. Amanda Hommond
    Mr.Sloan per 1

    - I believe that once you are 18 years old you should be held responsible and be punished for your own actions, alcohal included. Those under the age of eighteen is completly differnt because we are still minors and those over the age of 21 who contribute to the minor should be punnished along with the minor. No matter what teens will find away to get alcohal and nothing will stop them from doing so because all teans like to drink and party. Expecially when you live in little towns where there is nothing to do..(GALT)

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  182. teen drinking is mainly on the students. the adults are responsible also because they are the ones serving to minors witch is wrong to begine with. what people this though is teens are not responsible for there actions when in fact i belive that we are because we make our own big decesions each day that effect our lives. we are responsible but some teens just like adult feel they can drink and then drive witch happens with adults too. so why not sue bars for serving alchohal to drivers that drive home, isnt that the same thing. the bar tender is being irrisponsible just as if he were serving to a minor.


    stephen goerzen
    mr.baur
    period 5

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  183. I believe that drinking under the age of 21 is entirely the minors fault. I don't believe that they should be able to sued the host of the party because it was the minors decision to drink. If they investigate that far into where they got the alcohol, the vendor should definitely be fired for giving a minor alcohol. The bill is harder to pass because really the society is more concerned with teens than older adults even though people drinking ar bars and driving home is hypocritical. Tori Tamura, Mr Sloans Class p.1

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  184. Is someone between the ages of 18-20, not responsible for their own decision to illegally drink? Do the parents who knowingly allowed their teens to go to the party have less responsibility than the hosts? Can adults at the party claim innocence if they simply leave the alcohol out and don't actually serve it? If no one gets hurt, was it then okay to serve them alcohol

    Ryan thinks that people between the agesof 18-20 are adult and there for should face the conciquences that there actions take. Ryan thinks the parents that allow the teens to go to a party should trust the teens that they wont get hurt. sometimes the parents dont even know what there kida are up to. Knowing is half the battle. the parents should have equal respoabily as the host.An adult cant leave a bottle of alchol out and claim inocence if they do that and knowing know someone is drinking they are at fault just like if a parent leaves a hand gun in reach or a kid and it goes off thats there fault.If no one gets hurt then it is ok so serve them in a way that no one whould know they were in danger or anything happened if someone gets hurt depending on the action there should be something for someone to face. sloan per 2

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  185. This law was not made to oppose anyone. It was made to help prevent underage drinking, injury, and death. If a minor decides to drink illegally, whether they be 14 or 20, it is their responsibility to be safe. If someone serves alcohol to a minor, and is tricked by a fake ID, then the only person that knows that what their doing is illegal, is the minor. Although, people who willingly and knowingly serve alcohol to those they shouldn't should be punished, but for serving the drink, not the later outcome that the drink causes. Minors should be held responsible for the consequences of the choice they made.

    Mr. Sloan
    Period 5

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  186. The issue with teen drinking is that people who go to a party where they know will have some form of alcohol are liable for their own drinking. Whether they drink a little, a lot, or at all. For teens it is so hard with the pressure and the "oh this is cool let's do it" type of people one would usually find at a party that they will say "hey, ok my friends are doing it, now i want to" So, if there were people with parties who were hosting and providing said alcohol then it is their responsibility to make sure that if a minor is present at the party, or anyone who is unwelcome at the present time to have said alcohol then they must be sure that they do not get any of it. If you buy it they will come. And if they come they will drink, so the host must be the one to say "no, this wasnt meant for you" to the guest who is not allowed.

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  187. Responsiblity is something that is learned at an early age. Parents should have many
    conversations with children/teens about responsiblity where alcohol and drugs are concerned. Teens should know, by the time they reach 18, that it is irresponsible to drink or do drugs at such a young age. Parents who taught their children to be responsible then need to be responsible themselves. They should never throw a party with alcohol and/or drugs present. Teens should know it would be wise for them to never attend a party with alcohol or drugs present. Nothing good ever comes of these parties. Nothing good ever will.

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  188. Teens who drink alcohol abuse it and never drink responsibly.NO law that will be passed will ever stop their fun of drinking. MOst teens drink because its breaking the rules how many over aged drinkers do you see getting together to drink for a party or something . NOt that many because they can drinkanytime they want to . The responsibility lies with the teenager who choses to drink. If at the age of 18 you can have the responsibilty of voting and driving with a underaged person in your vechile and even makes you an adult now, still doesnt give you the right and responsibilty of drinking alcohol. jordan elzie sloan per2

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  189. I think that teen drinking is bad, but even if the hosts to a party dont serve alcohol, teens are going to end up drinking before the party anyways.I also think that people 18-20 are responsible for illegaly drinkng.Responsibility plays a big part in the lives of teens, especially when it comes to drinking.

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  190. People between the ages of 18-20 are responsible for illegally drinking. They are adults and their minds are almost completely developed and should be able to know how to act responsibly. Parents who know about the party have less responsibility than the hosts of the party because the parents may have been lied to about the details of the party while the hosts know exactly what's going to happen at it. It doesn't matter if no one gets hurt or anything, it's the law to not drink until you're 21 and it's also best for your health in the future. Sloan, Period 2

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  191. I believe that if a student or minor is drinking it shouldnt fall onto the adult allowing it. Because that adult is trustting those kids to make the right choices. However, if the adult allowing it knows the kids drinking are most likely going to be irresponsible and drink themselves into a coma, yes some of the blame should be placed upon their shoulders. I believe that its's really the choice of the minor that is drinking to drink, they know what's going to happen 9 times out of 10. i think europe's got the right idea. Let them drink beer and wine at 14, let them drive at 18. This way, they get the binge drinking out of their system and there's no problem. The more we restrict our children in society the more they want to rebel. Something that has consequences suddenly becomes a more attracive idea, because there's that risk. I dunno...i think that if your parents agree that you're a responsible enough person, you should be allowed to drink. And the person supplying alcohol to minors, yeah it is kinda their fault, but it is moreso the minor's fault for consuming it, seeing as how they didnt have to.
    Sloan, period 5
    Samantha White

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  192. My opinion is that the teens should be punished for drinking and driving not the parents. Its the teens that are making those choices so its their problemss, not the parents. Its not like the parents are putting alcohol in their mouths. Teens should be respnosible for their own choices.

    Mr. Bauer Period 3

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  193. I believe that teens are responsible if they're injured from drinking. They know the law and should not be able to drink until age 21. If a parent leaves alcohol out and a teen takes it it's not the parents fault because they know the law. The punishment should be on the teens unless someone purposely gives it to a teen. Same goes for drug dealers. Its the buyers fault for getting the drugs.

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  194. I think that teen drinking is a major issue and always has been like that. i believe that it is the teens responsibilities for their actions and the parents shouldn't get punished for it. But if the parents are providing the alcohol then they should get punish for given the teen alcohol.
    Stephanie A
    Mr.Sloan
    Per.4

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  195. I believe that if these teenagers choose to consume alchohol they should face the punishment. Everyone knows the full consequences of what can happen when drinking alchohol, there are many programs in school that tell us these consequences. The teenager knows what will happen and if he or she chooses to still drink then they should be willing to accept the punishment and fully deserve that punishment.

    Zach Mietz

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  196. Mallory lemieux Mr sloan pd.4August 27, 2010 at 12:15 AM

    I THINK that anything you do while under the influence of alcohol and are younger than legally drinking age, then it should be the teens fault. IT SHOULDN'T matter where you got it from if you drink and something happens then its your responsibility to deal with wat happens

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  197. Alcohol abuse in teens & young people, has become one of the worlds most controversial topic. & when it comes to underage drinkers, it is their choice to to drink illegally, so they must face the consequences for their actions in the process of being injured, & or injuring someone else. & I doubt the fact that passing new laws & requirements will stop such an ongoing issue. Teens will be teens, no matter what. I also believe that in order to fully nullify such a problem, parents must be aware of what's happening in their childs life & where they are going to be.

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  198. I think teenagers are young adults who should know what they are getting themselves in especiall from the ages 18-20 who are considerd adults already. It would be a shame to have a parent get into severe consequences with the law because of 18-20 year old who is drinking. I believe it should be the person who is drinking to face the consequences and not the parent or who ever is the host of the household who has nothing to do with alcohol.

    Karen Villasenor
    Mr.Bauer
    Per:2

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  199. In my opinion teenagers and adults can't handle alcohol, it's a two way street. Alcohol and drugs are bad for you but so many people are hypocrites, alcohol is a drug that's why you have alcoholics. The persons perception on alcohol can either be he or she does it occasionally or they become alcoholics.

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