Thursday, March 31, 2011

Would schools and teachers encourage cheating? (Post #22)

Beginning April 5th, Galt High will begin taking the California Standards Tests for the 9th through 11th graders.  Our government uses incentives to encourage or discourage behavior.  Rewards (usually money) and punishments (fines, closings, and firings) are used.  For students historically, the test has no punishments and minor rewards.  This week, for example, some of you were invited to lunch with a teacher and some of you were let out of class early and given ice cream. This year, Galt High is offering a grade boost for high scores, but not for Fs.
Most incentives for the test affect schools and jobs.  Schools with low scores can be closed and Principals and teachers can be fired.  By 2014, the federal law dictates, 100% of public school students must be 'proficient' in math and reading. If not, a school can face replacement of its entire staff.
Some states and localities have rewards as well, including up to $25,000 bonuses for teachers with good scores and improvement.  So what are the consequences of high rewards and high punishments?
Schools in Washington D.C. have joined a list of schools around the country under investigation for irregularities in their testing on statewide standardized tests.  The claim is that cheating is occurring, including one teacher in Ohio who gave his class the answers to study before the test.  Read the article, so you have some basis to add to your answers.

Cheating already occurs among students on tests that affect their grades.

Does making a test count encourage more cheating?  For example, compare a practice test or CST before the grade bump to a normal in class test or a final exam.
What do you think the overall results of offering a letter grade increase will do to CST test scores?
Do all teachers do enough to prevent cheating?  Give examples if you know some.
If money were an incentive, would that make people work harder or just be more dishonest or both?
If you might get fired over low test scores, is cheating worth saving your job?
What then is the solution?  How do we get students and teachers and schools to educate and assess and care about the results?
Big question I know, but give it a shot.

65 comments:

  1. Wellll i truly don't believe its cheating its motivation and what else can teachers do when being threatened to loose their job they must examin the whole aspect not just the school some kids just christmas tree it and what can a teacher do they should be more understanding and help out i don't see the government giving methods to change. Things.

    breana spiro sloan p.4

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  2. To be truthful, it does encourage cheating and studying more when it is an important test. Offering a letter grade increase probably will encourage students to do better on the CST test as the award is very good. Most teachers do a good job at preventing cheating, but not all. Usually they prevent it by keeping watch on students while they are testing. If money were an incentive, there most likely would be more dishonesty and a push to do better on the tests. In this day of age where finding a job is very tough, then yes cheating would be worth it. To answer the last question I think making the student very aware and informed about the tests and how it ultimately affects them is the right way to go.

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  3. I think the letter grade boost is a great incentive for kids and it'll help boost scores. Schools are under a lot of pressure to make kids care about state testing, and I think it is too harsh for teachers' jobs to be on the line based on how much kids do care. I think it is the government's fault that teachers feel the need to cheat or be dishonest because of all the pressure placed on them. We're only kids, and we really don't care about things like tests that don't directly affect us based on how well we perform. The government needs to lighten up a bit.

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  4. Maria Schmidt, Bauer, Per 5March 31, 2011 at 4:58 PM

    I agree with Kelsey; the fact that if all public school students aren't proficient or advanced in math and reading and the teachers being fired for it is ridiculous. Yeah, there are some teachers out there who are not the best, but the majority of the time it's the students who are at fault. There are and will always be many students who simply don't care. The teachers shouldn't be punished for that. The grade boost will serve as great motivation, but the fact that we have come to this solution is sad. These tests are not too difficult. It is possible that cheating could occur, but I don't think cheating will be a problem if teachers carefully watch students and if the versions of tests are spread out.

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  5. I think if they make the cst count then it would encourage cheating because it counts towards you as the student. I don't think anything will happen really if theres a reward such as a letter grade bump for the most because there's a lot of people who don't care. Not all but most yes do things to prevent cheating like making frequent walks around students. If money were in incentive then it would definitely make people dishonest because they would definitely try cheating to get the money. I think cheating would be worth my job IN THIS ECONOMY seeing as how unemployment is rising, but I would HIGHLY encourage my students (if I were a teacher) to study hard and do their best. I really couldn't think of any solution for this because its all the students, the schools are being based on what THEY know.
    Adilene Vazquez
    Sloan Period onee

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  6. my personal take on it is thus: i dont care enough to go to the effort of cheating let alone studying, but the effort put in to listening to all the same directions every year, the formality of it ect, get more annoying to the point where i just wanted to finish so i could get out of the room regardless of the consequences. there will always be cheaters and people who dont want to work for something, its a matter of policing the system better, but teachers and schools shouldn't be penalized for bad students, some people are just stupid or apathetic. if you remove funds from a failing school it's a downward spiral, you dont help the teachers, and you certainly dont help the students.

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  7. I think if they make this CST test count towards a student grade, it would encourage more students to cheat because they are going to be benefited. The overall result that i personally see is that more students well try harder in the CST, unlike back then it wouldn't affect a student if they just guessed on the questions. If money were an incentive, it would that make people work harder and more dishonest. Well i believe that the solution is for teachers to teach and students to learn.

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  8. I don't blame teachers for giving the students answers to the cst for review for the test. The standards on the teachers for the state tests is ridiculous. Sloan per 1

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  9. I think kids need to realize that doing poorly on CST testing, while not directly, hurts them in the long run. The grade boost is a fantastic idea, but I think there needs to be negative consequences for doing poorly. The lack of care students at the school have for tests and anything is embarassing, and maybe that reflects why our school is no Oak Ridge or Folsom, yeah they have more money, but it's also because they earn money for caring...obviously people don't understand that. I don't think people should even need to cheat on the CST's, they are a blanket test, if kids pay attention in class then they know all the information they need. So no, teachers shouldn't help kids cheat, they should just teach the curriculum. If they help them cheat then what is the purpose of the test, and what are the teachers teaching then? Ponder that.
    Kelsea Tiapon-Sloan 3; Bauer 4

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  10. I think that teachers being evaluated on the way their students test on the state test is unfair. The students don't care about the test because they don't get anything out of it. The grade boost is a really smart thing to do to get students to care about the test. It's not cheating and kids have to work for it.
    Tori Milligan
    sloan per.3

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  11. well first of all offering money would be a great motivator for students to strive for hihg scores on the cst becasue everyone needs it. I think that if someone was at risk of losing thier job then it would be worth cheating for but it would also be very risky becasue if they found out they cheated they could be fined or put in jail. The letter grade boost would also be a good idea for kids already struggling in their classes.

    Clarisa Carrillo
    Per.4
    Sloan

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  12. Ricardo VillalpandoMarch 31, 2011 at 8:39 PM

    well i think that the grade boost idea is a great idea but have the teachers affected by it is kinda wrong i also think not all the kids take those kind of test very seriously and i think it isn't really fair to the teacher who really did try on helping them but yet again there are teachers who really don't care much and those should be replaced i think. over all i think its a good idea that there are going to be changes to the school and that kid will be learning more .

    ricardo villalpando
    pr5.sloan

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  13. It depends on the select student. Some students are hardworking & already put their full effort into CST tests. Some students however do not care about the school consequences for poor test scores. With the grade boost, good students will be motivated to score better on the CST tests. Students with no motivation to get good grades in general will not be motivated to do well on CST scores. If teachers were given a bonus due to good CST scores then they definitely would be more motivated to prepare their students. However, there is only so much a teacher can do. The test scores are mainly dependent on what the students do.

    Devin Smith, Mr. Bauer, P.1.

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  14. Steven Reichmuth, Bauer, period 2March 31, 2011 at 9:32 PM

    The goverment has set too high of expectations for schools in the whole 100% of students need to be proficient in math thing by 2014. What they fail to realize is that some kids just suck at math or reading skills. I think the cheating on CST issue is going to get worse in the next few years. If I was a treacher I wouldn't think twice to cheat if it was necessary to save my job.

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  15. There will be an overall increase in test scores because students will have an incentive to do their best. I'm sure that all teachers try their best to prevent cheating, but students might be able to get away with it if teachers are not observant enough. Low CST results should not cause teachers to get fired becuase students do not feel that the test impacts them. Students should have the penalty instead.

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  16. Josh Agans, Bauer P.5March 31, 2011 at 9:45 PM

    i think the grade boost is a great motivation. a lot of kids should take that and run with it. there are way too many students who do not care what they score on tests. that is not the teachers fault though. you cant teach someone to want to do work. if the students do not care then they do not care. the grade boost may make the kids want to do good though. i really think the test scores will increase with this grade boost offer. now if money were a motivation, then i guarantee people would try hard. now a days most students need to get motivated to do well on tests.

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  17. It ultimately comes down to the individual taking the test. Some individuals care, and others don’t. I personally think that a great incentive would be to eliminate homework for a specific amount of time for those who score well.
    (Sloan P.3/Bauer P.4)

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  18. Truly, I believe that students just don't care about california standard testing since it has no effect upon one's grade. Better incentives should be offered because receiving ice cream is really nothing special when one can just have a family member bring them probably way better ice cream than the one given or whatever. I think that as a better incentive the school should offer prizes such as gift cards of like $25-30 to like the top 5 scores, a lot more people would probably work and actually try harder on testing when money is involved.

    Christina Luna
    Bauer

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  19. If the tests would really affect someones grade i think that students would try to cheat somehow or study alot.Students who really need the grade bump would probably be the ones that try hard in these type of tests.Yes teachers try their best for students not to cheat like makeing the students spread around.If money was offered i would deffinatly try harder i mean who doesnt like getting money for something so simple.If my job was at risk i would try my best to teach the students what the test has maby even make the answers more obvious.


    tania hinojosa
    sloan p5

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  20. I think that that the change is good and bad good because the kids would try harder and try to get a grade boost but bad because i know lots of kids who really don't try on those kinds of test and this would be bad for the teacher s who worked really hard but lost because o some kind who didn't care.

    Richard Manzo
    mr. Sloan
    pr5

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  21. Sergio Maldonado, Sloan p.3/ Bauer p.4March 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM

    The states use the tests to see how well students learned the subjects they are being tested on, then they allocate funds to schools depending on the scores in that school. The grade boost might encourage students to get low grades and not do any work, then hope that they get a good grade on the CST to improve your grade. The solution is that the test should either be made more important to the student or just removed, not giving students grade boosts because that would just make under qualified students seem more qualified.

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  22. I think making test scores count might encourage cheating for some people, but students who were honest before, will probably be honest still. The grade bump from CST scores encourages more students to do better, but there will still be some who don't care either way and continue getting bad scores. Some people would work harder and others would cheat more if money was an incentive. If my job was on the line, I would probably cheat a little if I was insecure about how well I would do. I don't think there really is a solution to this problem. There are always going to be people who don't want to learn at all and others who love to learn. And those students who are in the middle just need more attention and a bigger push to do better. Most of the time, students who don't do so well in school don't get the attention and family connection that they need at home. The only thing someone can do to help them out and help them want to learn is simply by showing them that love that is missing in their lives and hope they turn out better.

    Melody Morphis
    Mr. Sloan
    per. 1

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  23. Cierra Gonsalves, Mr. Bauer, Period 2April 1, 2011 at 1:41 AM

    Yes, making a test count encourages cheating to some level, but if I test didn't count in the first place, why take it? Taking a practice test is just preparing someone for the real thing. You're given similar questions to what will be on the real test. How you choose to go about the practice test will either help you on the real thing or it could hurt you. However, the CST should be taken seriously. Not only are you able to show the board of education what you've learned over the years, but you're able to prove to yourself and your teachers that you learned something as well. Offering a letter grade based on an increase on the CST test scores would be good and bad. It would be effective because more students would see it as an oportunity to pass a class that they have struggles with. However, for the students who have never cared about their grades, won't care about their CST scores. when it comes to teaching, there are some teachers who watch their student like a hawk and then their are other teachers who have faith in their students that they will do what is right and keep their eyes on their own paper. If money were an incentive, I do believe that students would work harder. People are greedy rather then satisfied. I'm sure that if a student was offered money to do good on a test, he/she would spend day and night studying. Same with some teachers, being offered cash if their students get good scores, why wouldn't the teacher give out a few answers? If I were getting fired because of low test scores, I wouldn't cheat to save my job, but that's just me. If my students' tests scores were low then obviously I wouldn't be doing all that I could as an educator to try different approaches to make my students more aware and interested. I don't believe there is just one solution, there are many that may contribute as a whole. By making the curriculum fun and relatable, I think students would be more interested in what they were learning. If people could see the importance of having a good education nowadays, they'd think twice about cheating and doing thier best in school and on any test.

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  24. Zachery Atkins
    Mr. Bauer
    Period 2

    I think some teachers would encourage their students to cheat just like some students would. It is more a matter of who the school hired because I don't think every teacher out there would do that. Cheating does occur but there are ways to see that, like checking for irregularities. I don't think there should be any incentives and I don't think the teachers should be given the test. I have been in classes before where the teachers have seen exactly what questions would be on the test and they would go of that to make lesson plans. If you were to only teach students whats on the test that would be considered cheating too. Teachers should only get the test the day of, not the answers, just like the students.

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  25. Yes I do believe that making a yesterday encourages cheating. I believe this letter boost will do nothing to scores. The people who do bad will continue to do bad because they don't care about school.
    Richard May
    Mr. Sloan
    period 4

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  26. I think that the incentive for CSTs is not a problem. I think it will help students apy themselves and try. Otherwise people wont do it knowing it doesn't really affect them. So principles may persuade students and try to make them feel comfortable with things like the ice cream but it may help

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  27. Joeylee Maimone, Sloan 4
    I think that boosting a students grade by one whole letter grade is actually a good idea. It will make students who want to do well in school work harder to score higher on the tests to recieve a good grade in the overall class. When there are good benefits from doing something, a kid is going to do it rather than just having to do something. As for cheating I dont think thats the best way to go about things because then you are just asking for trouble later on down the road with your career.

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  28. I believe the grade boost is a great incentive. Kids need motivation, especially teenagers to encourage them to try on something that doesn't have a punishment. The more motivation and answers on the reviews the higher the test scores will become.

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  29. Maria Perez
    Sloan P.4
    I believe that the grade enhancement is a good idea, to encourage students to do even better, because only students with F's will not be helped. This is also a good idea because it is like a reward for those doing good, while for those who don't do good, and cheat, for example, will not know their subjects well enough and will fail other things, and not do good. I think that for those doing good, they should be rewarded, and for those doing bad, or are not trying, they shoudl be punished, or get consequences for what they do.

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  30. This is really tough because I feel the incentives to us as students are important because otherwise there's no reason for us personally not to just Christmas tree the entire test, being that it's all a big waste of time in our perspectives. But then again, it's tough when the results aren't immediate. Yes, if you score well you get ice cream and special lunch, and tee shirts, but not for an entire year after you take the test. But is it really encouraging kids not to christmas tree, or just to care just enough to whisper answers to each other?
    And some teachers really don't try to stop cheating, either that or they're just oblivious to it going on. I won't name names, but I had a teacher last year that didn't seem to realize that everyone openly cheated in her class. It wasn't even discrete. But either she never noticed or didn't care enough to say anything.

    I don't know that there really is a solution. Kids who feel morally okay with cheating are going to do so, and kids who do not feel morally okay with it are not. It's not something any punishments or intensives can really change unless people are caught and like expelled.
    Sasha Schotzko-Harris
    Bauer 1

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  31. I think that offering the bump of a whole letter grade is a fair incentive for kids.I believe this will motivate students to try harder so they can pass the class as well as the test. I don't know about teachers letting kids cheat though. I don't really think it matters though since alot of kids already Cheat and some just guess.

    Victor Alvarez
    Sloan

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  32. I don't think many students care what they score on the CST's, mainly because it wont affect their grades. There should be high incentives for those that actually score high.

    Guadalupe Velasquez
    Sloan, Period 1

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  33. Miriam Bejines P.5 Mr.SloanApril 1, 2011 at 8:52 PM

    I think cheating is not a good motivation because students knowing that are able to cheat are going to be less likely o put an effort on the tests.The letter grade bump is a good idea to offer to the students because they are going to try more hard.

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  34. omar delgado sloan per4April 1, 2011 at 9:00 PM

    well, if final tests and incentives is whats most thought about it may be the most important concept. i beleive maybe removing problems that may decrease incentives like homework or un needed assighnment. more people will not loose interest in gaining an education because of the work. and to increase incentive because obviously we cant just hand student a diploma, the overall grade a student receives should be on unit tests on material learned in class. that would most likely drive the student to actually study because they know they wont be able to move along with out memorizing the materials. also allowing this procedure can easily calculate how much is being correctly taught.

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  35. Yes that is a very big question and I don't thing anyone quite has the right answer. I do think that if I was a teacher I would work very hard at getting my students to pass these tests with a proficient or advanced if my job was on the line. I wouldnt go as far as giving my students the answers to the tests just so they could pass. I do think that it's a good idea to reward those who have done well In the past so it will encourage then to do better again and get the other kids to do good to.

    Steffanie Eisenga
    Sloan
    Per.5

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  36. Unfortunately I don't believe the whole grade bump advertising is going to provide any dramatic improvements on the CSTs. One, kids will be kids. They just don't give a rat's behind about anything that relates to school that they view as extra. Yes a grade boost is promised, but unfortunately I find myself hard pressed to be believe will suddenly bunker down in hopes of a grade boost. I see financial reimbursement as something that would be more effective. I bet if you told kids straight up without any silly rhymes or catch phrases that you would give them for 1000 bucks for a proficient or advanced they might just flock to the opportunity. However, I realize that this school would be unable to afford such an expense. I really don't see many people cheat on the CST due to the alleged number of versions.
    Marklin Nixon
    Mr. Sloan Period 1

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  37. Any test that counts towards a grade will lead to people wanting to cheat. However making the CST's count towards a grade will definatly make students try harder to pass the test and increase the test scores. I think most teachers do thier best to prevetn or stop cheating, because most of my teachers say if they catch you, you fail that test, which i think is fair. If money was offered i think some would work harder and some would cheat, it's just like a test that counts for a grade in school some students decide to cheat and some actually try.

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  38. I think that the incentives will work for the kids who have the ability but ddnt want to waste time trying on something that did not offer immediate benefits. As for the idea that teachers encourage cheating. The grade boost does not say that it's for cheaters. I think that there will be kids who cheat as well a kids who still don't care, but those kids probably would have cheated anyways. A teacher would stop cheating if it was blatanty obvious and the grade boost is not encouraging cheating.

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  39. When making a test count more, like the CST for example, of course more cheating is going to occur. Kids are going to do anything they can to get that grade boost in their classes for next year. I can also see why the teachers cheat because they know that their jobs can be on the line if their kids do not do a good job. This is not right of course but we have to see that it is reality that when tests mean more, then there is more of a possibility of cheating. Whether it be from the student, or even the teacher.

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  40. I think that the grade boost for testing is a good idea because it helps kids do better on their test and try harder because they know it effects their grade and teachers try their hardest on getting them ready for the testing so in a way everyone gets something god out of taking the test.

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  41. Teachers being fired if students dont score proficent in math or reading is really ridiculous, You can't blame teachers for the students actions towards the test. Some students may be guessing throughout the whole test on purpose becuase they do not care. Teachers arn't responsible for them not caring about their future, its the students choice. But the Grade Boost is a good idea to help students strive better on their CST's.

    Jasmine Singh
    Mr.Bauer P.3

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  42. Danielle Smith, Sloan P1April 2, 2011 at 2:58 PM

    I don't think it really matters one way or another if a test counts. Cheaters are going to cheat and other aren't. It's not going to change. The grade boost could sway some people to actually try on the CSTs, but I don't think it's going to be that great of an improvement. Most teachers do very little, or nothing, to prevent cheating. A teacher I had last year HAD to have known everyone in her class had the answers to multiple tests. It was far too obvious to be overlooked. That being said, she did nothing. She sat at her computer and drank her Starbucks; so I wouldn't say there was much prevention happening. If money were an incentive, people would do whatever they could to get it, morally right or not. It'd just turn into a rat race. If someone got fired for low CST scores, they probably shouldn't have had that job in the first place. I'm not sure there is a solution anymore. CSTs have already been tagged as the test that means nothing. A large group of students aren't going to care and christmas tree the whole thing regardless of incentives.

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  43. Janeiry Balderas, Mr. Sloan, Period 4April 3, 2011 at 9:20 PM

    Well personally i always did good on my tests, and really one shouldn't be looking for compensations for getting good grades on CST's. Really to me its about my self pride and knowing that i tried and that at least i have acquired proficient. Also cheating may occur but it isn't something that i believe will really help since there are different versions of the test. unless a teacher has no conscience then they would probably do whatever it takes so that they may be able to keep their job. Yet i would like to believe that our staff is better than that and that it hasn't happened at our school. What does seem to be happening is that teenagers these years are just less interested in their education and self improvement.

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  44. Hannah Engebretsen/Bauer P2April 3, 2011 at 9:45 PM

    I think that is a great idea. If the objection to it is because students can cheat to get a better grade, well they can already do that anyways with test and homework, other than CSTs. This would help students try harder on the CST's, this effects our school as well because our school is looked at by our CST scores. Plus students should deserve to have a higher grade because it proves they know the material, and it would help their GPA. If they know the required knowledge there is no need for a bad grade, and its not going to be provided for students with Fs anyway. Concerning the practice tests for the CST, that is only using ones sources usefully, and most students do not study them for the CSTs, just ones serious to do well.

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  45. There will always be cheaters. Shall we lower our standards in an attempt to make the test so easy no one needs to cheat? even then there will be cheaters. Even then there will be people who don't care.
    Give a negative for poor scores, if you want give a benefit for good scores, and watch for cheaters. It might not do anything.
    How do you motivate the masses that do not care. When under pressure they can give in and give up. Under positive reinforcement, there is no real need to do anything. Is taking a test worth the chocolate covered sugar candy? It is not the happy face sticker at the end of the road that keeps me going.

    Caleb Newman

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  46. In my opinion if a student wants to try on a test or in school then they should be givin an opportunity to and if they dont do to well then that means they just need more help then others. And i dont think its right to just fire the teachers or staff they tried as best to what they know to teach the students and its up to the students if they want to listen or not. With the cheaters part we have people or students who are going to cheat and no one is perfect but the only people who can change them is themselves.

    Aniscia Silva
    Sloan
    Per 5

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  47. I my self have always done good on cst except sophmore year when i fell asleep (long night). teachers should wake up these students , since they "care".Ha it is funny now you care when your job is on the line. Teachers are garbage well some . They have to much power. Always their word over anyone else , what is this terrible garbage.
    jordan elzie per 2 sloan

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  48. In my opinion i think that students should have an opportunity to try on tests and if they do bad thats there fault. There is always going to be cheaters no matter what happens, kids just wont stop.

    Jaskiran Kaur
    Mr. Bauer
    Government
    Period 2

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  49. alot of teachers are doing the best they can to prepare students for Cst's. The new grade bump incentive is a good idea for those students who have a D to an A in that clss, but the students who dont try at all have no gai if they do good or not. It is not fair to the teachers who put in alot of work to teach their students when those students put no effort into learning.
    It is not a good idea to encourage cheating.

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  50. kayla rodriguez sloan5April 6, 2011 at 9:06 PM

    i think its sad that there has to be an incentive for students to actually try on their tests. no matter who the teacher may be or what the test is on, cheating ALWAYS occurs. i feel like teachers are very helpful and are extremely approachable. if we as students put in as much effort as the teachers do, our proficients could easily be advanced. i think that the grade bump is a great idea because students will try a whole lot harder. and you dont look cool when youre the only one who doesnt go to the ice cream social. cheating can never be eliminated, but it can be reduced.

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  51. If we had school pride this wouldn't be as huge as an issue. A lot of students aren't proud to be going to GHS like I saw when I was a freshman, aside from the Goonies who got shut down and discouraged. Administration gets on us every time we try to show school spirit. And half of our teaching staff jumped boat at the opportunity of teaching at Liberty the students see that and it reflects poorly. We like school unity and pride so many of them feel indifference when it comes to CSTs.

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  52. i think in a way yes making a test does count because some ppl would want to do better and if it didnt count then ppl would just guess.
    i think the score will improve if it was counted towards our grade too.
    i think tat most of my teachers do a pretty good job from preventing cheating but its really hard to have no one cheat.
    i dont think money would really be a good idea.
    now the way things are going with jobs some ppl will be willing to cheat.
    i think that that they should practice things that are going to be on the test that way students wont forget.
    erika oropeza
    p.4
    mr. sloan

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  53. Katie Frogue, Sloan P1April 7, 2011 at 5:17 PM

    The goverment has set too high of expectations for schools in the whole 100% of students need to be proficient in math thing by 2014. What they fail to realize is that some kids just suck at math or reading skills. I think the cheating on CST issue is going to get worse in the next few years. If I was a treacher I wouldn't think twice to cheat if it was necessary to save my job

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  54. I think making this test worth a grade will cause more students to cheat, in hopes of doing good and bumping their grades up. But i believe that the incentive will also cause some students to try harder on the CST tests. Teachers need to teach to their best ability and students need to learn to their best ability

    Trista Dowdy
    Sloan per 5

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  55. I think this will incourage cheating because let's be truthful this a alot of cheating going on niw and I mean all the teachers do there best to prevent it but it will still happen

    Thomas Shelton

    P.5

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  56. i think for teachers, it could be tempting to let the kids cheat and collaborate if their job was on the line. The students would more than likely be thrilled to get a great grade so they can get their parents off their backs. However, when they cut funds, theres no reason to continue trying so it is as Bryan said, a downward spiral.
    Samantha White
    Sloan per5

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  57. Amanda eckroth
    per.1
    sloan
    Does making a test count encourage more cheating? Yes it does encourage more cheating becauseu it is worth something but if its not worth anything then people wil most likely make a christmas tree with there dots.
    What do you think the overall results of offering a letter grade increase will do to CST test scores? I think for students who really want a higher grade will study harder for the test but kids that dont care will just not caare about the grade boast
    Do all teachers do enough to prevent cheating? The teachers i Have this year yes because they have the view of all of the students
    If money were an incentive, would that make people work harder or just be more dishonest or both? I think work harder becuase if u get caught cheating you may be fired
    If you might get fired over low test scores, is cheating worth saving your job? NO becuase your job is vaulable
    What then is the solution? How do we get students and teachers and schools to educate and assess and care about the results? by giiving them more privleges and make things worth more
    Big question I know, but give it a shot.

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  58. Making a test count will always encourage students to try harder. Cheating is not a way of passing a test, but if it means in saving a job than be it because a job is more vailable than a test.
    Jonathan Ramos
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  59. Gabriela Gomez P.2April 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM

    Yes, kids will cheat more knowing that they are going to be bribbed with getting awhole letter grade jumped up. I don't think that would benefit the teachers though because it would make it harder for them to grade the tests if the answers appear to be matching or if some just don't care. When students are slacking off not caring then its a problem becaus ethe teachers will then get punished and the school which chances are of the school, shutting down without kids meeting the standards.

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  60. I think increasing a whole letter grade will motivate students to try hard(that is if they care bout their grades and school). MOst students try their best by actually paying attention but what would help to keep a fresh memory with all the problems in the cst's is by having good study guides. cheating isn't a way to solve problems. Most teachers would actually have study sessions to keep their students in track instead of encouraging students to cheat.

    Karen Villasenor
    Mr. Bauer
    Per: 2

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  61. I believe if making a test count students will in fact cheat because for the very reason that it counts, because tests will count students will most likely want to copy other students to try and get the most right answers as possible. Offering a letter grade will most likely encourage students to do better because the can possibly receive an extra 10 percent and pass a class if they are low in a grade, and yes teachers do make sure students do not cheat, for example, every time I take a test in any class my teacher, whoever it might be is always making sure everyone keeps his or her eyes on their own paper.

    Brian Leiva
    Mr. Sloan
    Period 5

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  62. I think the letter grade boost and severe punishments for teachers could definitely add some heavy pressure to cheat for both parties. The fact that cheating is wrong may come in second in someone's mind to their grade or job.
    There are many ways for teachers to prevent cheating, and some teachers at GHS implement these. Separating desks, requiring silence, and watching the students in the class during the test can greatly reduce cheating...if the teacher cares enough to do so.

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  63. I think that students just don't care the much about California standard testing since it has no effect in grades. Better incentives should be offered because receiving ice cream is really nothing. you could go get ice cream with your friends. I think that as a better incentive the school should give better prizes.they could study harder if there was better prizes.
    Stephanie A
    Mr.Sloan
    Per.4

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  64. Sarah Richter, Bauer, Period 5May 15, 2011 at 7:13 PM

    I do think that kids try harder on the cst when they get a grade boost. If not most kids just bubble in answers to get them done. It all depends on the student if there goin to cheat or not. It'll hurt them in the end but if thats what they want then oh well.

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  65. i think most teachers do their job to ensure there is no cheating, i have yet to meet a teacher who has turned their head when some one cheated. The problem that arises is that they could lose their job and i feel if a teacher is threatened to lose their job they may think twice about cheating.

    EJ Keller
    Per.4
    Sloan

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